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Jon-M-Spear 738 posts
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Real-time video capture

Jul 19, 2012 12:01 AM

Can anyone point me in the right direction as to how to injest real-time 1080p feeds to a Win 7 laptop and to subsequently edit in PP CS6.

 

On occasions, I sit backstage at live events/conferences and, through OnLocation, take a firewire feed from the Production Unit to capture the output.  I simultaneously monitor and annotate the material  - adding markers and comments - so that I can do an immediate edit and post to the web.

 

The two limitations:

 

1.  OnLocation/firewire appears not to handle full raster 1080p.

2.. OnLocation is discontinued - although I could continue with CS5 (but not 1080p).

 

I am posting this question here, rather than the OnLocation forum as I wonder whether there is a 3rd party hardware solution to this.  Maximum recordings are in the region of 60-90 minutes.

 

Thanks.

 
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    Jul 19, 2012 8:43 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear

    I thought OnLocation was replaced by http://forums.adobe.com/community/prelude

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 9:26 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear

    For real time ingest of HD material you will need - at least AFAIK - a HD-SDI camera and a BlackMagic or similar HD-SDI card. Since that is not possible on a laptop, due to lacking bandwidth on a laptop, I think it just is not possible.

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 11:03 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear

    Since I was not familiar with the term "Vision Mixer" I found this in Wikipedia.

     

    "The terms vision mixer and video mixer that describes both the equipment and the device operator are used outside the USA. In the United States, the equipment is called a video production switcher and the device operator is known as a technical director (TD) that is part of a television crew."

     

    I then found this:

     

    "Most vision mixers are targeted at the professional market, with newer analog models having component video connections and digital ones using Serial Digital Interface (SDI)."

     

    SDI for 1080p;

     

    "An emerging interface, commonly known in the industry as dual link HD-SDI and consisting essentially of a pair of SMPTE 292M links, is standardized in SMPTE 372M; this provides a nominal 2.970 Gbit/s interface used in applications (such as digital cinema or HDTV 1080P) that require greater fidelity and resolution than standard HDTV can provide. A more recent interface, 3G-SDI, consisting of a single 2.970 Gbit/s serial link, is standardized in SMPTE 424M that will replace the dual link HD-SDI."

     

    First of all you better find out what signal you will be fed from your "Vision Mixer", as you can see without that specification and assuming that there is no compression codec inside the mixer you have a major bandwidth problem.  There is no way that firewire could handle 1080p without some form of compression.  You might get a third party HD-SDI to Firewire compressor but I do not know how that then would affect your workflow.  Also Firewire is on its way out

     
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    Jul 20, 2012 7:55 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear

    For HD-SDI you need at least 288 MB/s or even 1.44 GB/s bandwidth in 444 colorspace, that means that 35 MB/s is not nearly enough. Not only is HD-SDI lacking in a laptop, but the disk setup is far too slow to handle that data stream. That also raises the question whether the camera('s) you will be using have HD-SDI output?

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 11:30 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear

    Does your laptop have USB3 or an Express card slot? Does your camera have HDMI or SDI?

     

    Eric

    ADK

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 12:28 PM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear

    The Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle would be fine for the I/O device if you can go HDMI from the Mixer or via a converter in between. However keep in mind Component will only carry Interlaced. You don't want to convert component unless the converter also De-interlaces. If HDMI is not an option then you will need SDI and a different Blackmagic device. Since you are delivering to Web you may want to consider the Matrox MXO2 series instead of the Blackmagic since you have the express card slot. Which ever one you decide on, you can use their utility to capture the material into the Blackmagic or Matrox codecs and then import it into any editor to quickly cut and upload. You may also want to look at Wirecast Pro by Telestream. They have capture options and work with the Blackmagic hardware. Wirecast Pro will also allow you to broadcast live via Web and gives you some further mix/key options.

     

    Eric

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    Jul 19, 2012 3:52 PM   in reply to ECBowen

    Or look at recording to a separate recorder and then edit directly from those drives

    eg.

    Aja Kipro or

    Blackmagic Hyperdeck

     

    Martin

     
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    Jul 20, 2012 7:29 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear

    The Blackmagic utility will allow basic logging. Wirecast Pro will allow naming but I dont remember the Metadata options. You can obviously adjust the metadata further if you import the files into Premiere or Onlocation/Prelude. I am not sure what you are asking with the MXO2 question. Could you clarify?

     

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    Jul 20, 2012 9:19 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear

    You need to bring HDMI into the Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle or MXO2 Mini from your source. As long as the PPU has HDMI out then you are fine. If not then see if you have SDI out of the Mixer which will require more expensive versions of the Blackmagic or MXO2.

     

    Eric

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