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Printing effects techniques

Jul 20, 2012 11:58 AM

Tags: #effects #printing #techniques

Hello all,

 

Let's say you got a picture and you start editing it:

  • Desaturate
  • Add some noise
  • Add some random dust
  • Add some vintage colors

So you end up with a picture (let's say 1000x800px, 72dpi) that looks fine on your screen with 100% zoom. But you don't want to use this picture for a blog or something, you just want to print it. If you print it with 300dpi then most of the effects (noise, dust...) won't show on paper because the picture is printed around 25% of what you see on the screen.

 

Question:

Is there a technique so you can control whatever effects you add to your picture when the picture is going to be printed? I could resize the 72dpi picture after all effects applied around 400% and then print it but is resizing the best solution?

 

Thanks!

 
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    Jul 20, 2012 12:53 PM   in reply to jorgebraque

    Why not create the artwork so it measures correctly at the highest required pixel density?

     

    For example, create at 4167 x 3333 px @ 300 ppi for print. Downsample it to 1000 x 800 px @ 72 ppi for screen.

     
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    Jul 20, 2012 1:20 PM   in reply to jorgebraque

    You want to print. You can't downsample the image...

     

    Of course, I did not say you should downsample for print.

     

    I said create at highest density for print. Downsample for screen.

     
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    Jul 20, 2012 2:05 PM   in reply to jorgebraque

    No, not to monitor the result. I meant in general you should create artwork for print with the required number of pixels for print, then if you want a version for screen use (like the Web, although you don't want that in this instance), downsample to 72 ppi. That's in preferance to your initial talk of upsampling from 72 ppi to 300 ppi for print.

     
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    Jul 20, 2012 2:40 PM   in reply to jorgebraque

    There's a communication breakdown between us. I think I've misunderstood your requirements from the beginning so I'll quit before becoming more confused. Good luck.

     
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    Jul 20, 2012 2:51 PM   in reply to conroy

    The OP appears to have no idea of how image size, PPI and printing work.  So I wish you luck conroy2009

     
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    Jul 20, 2012 2:56 PM   in reply to Trevor.Dennis

    Trevor.Dennis wrote:

     

    The OP appears to have no idea of how image size, PPI and printing work.  So I wish you luck conroy2009

     

    I've quit to preserve my remaining sanity, thanks.

     
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    Jul 20, 2012 5:26 PM   in reply to jorgebraque

    You have to remember that the printed medium is more blurred that what you will see on screen. You'll have to sharpen the image to make any noise appear in the print.

     
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    Jul 20, 2012 9:58 PM   in reply to jorgebraque

    This extensive site has a very lucid explanation of PPI, DPI, Image printing Size, and Image pixel Dimensions:

     

    http://www.scantips.com/basics01.html

     
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    Jul 21, 2012 3:19 AM   in reply to jorgebraque

    I directed you to that site because it became clear to me in reading your post that you are confused.

     

    Now I see you are even more confused in other areas: noise is not an "effect", it's a filter you can apply to an image.

     

     

    jorgebraque wrote:

     

    …One technique as i mentioned is working with lower resolution, then upsampling, then printing…

     

     

    That simply boggles the mind because of its absurdity. 

     

     

    jorgebraque wrote:

     

    …a picture (let's say 1000x800px, 72dpi)…

     

    That "picture" would not be worth printing at any size beyond that of a small card, say 3.3 x 2.7 inches, no matter what "technique" you plan to apply.  Period.

     

    You are approaching this from the wrong end.  What you do first is determine what size the final print is going to be, then go create or obtain an image with enough resolution that will allow you to achieve your goal.

     

    Later you can grapple with fine tuning it by applying first capture sharpening, then output sharpening after adjusting it with an appropriate adjustment curve when you soft-proof it in Photoshop.

     

    As an example, the image of Marilyn Monroe you embedded in your post is way too small and too blurry to be printed even at minuscule 2" by 1.75" on a decent quality Epson inkjet printer like the Stylus Photo 2200 or better, or in a continuous tone printer like a Fuji. 

    It might begin to look acceptable at this size:  ====>>Picture 22.png  

     

    No one can force you to learn if you don't want to.  I gave you a link to a site that will give you a decent start.  That's all I can do.

     
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    Jul 21, 2012 3:41 AM   in reply to jorgebraque

    He!!, no!  I'm not about to try anything for you.  I'm done here. 

     

    Besides, I have no clue as to what you mean by "Well that is what exactly i want for the printed result."

     
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    Jul 21, 2012 3:43 AM   in reply to station_two

    Sorry to be abrupt, but these are user to user forums.  No one has any obligation even to reply to a question, let alone to run errands for other forum users.

     
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    Jul 21, 2012 4:54 AM   in reply to jorgebraque

    jorgebraque wrote:

     

    So you end up with a picture (let's say 1000x800px, 72dpi) that looks fine on your screen with 100% zoom. But you don't want to use this picture for a blog or something, you just want to print it. If you print it with 300dpi

     

    You have a fundamental assumption wrong, probably by listening to too many online "rules of thumb"...  Why do you want to "print it with 300dpi"?  What do you feel that will accomplish?

     

    If it has the right size and look on your screen, determine what ppi your screen is (get a ruler out), set your image to that ppi without resampling, and just print it.  There's nothing magic about 300.

     

    If you want it to look more detailed on the printer than on your screen, which is most folks' goal, you're going to have to work with more pixels and prep your image to look good at print size on the screen, which means using something other than 100% zoom (e.g., 33%).

     

    The best way is to think about the pixel count, set the size in inches or whatever units  you use in your country, and let the the ppi fall where it may.  If you want the most detailed possible print, use the most pixels.  If you want a low resolution print that looks just like what you see on the display, use a low pixel count.  That's not evil, just not typical.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Jul 21, 2012 5:50 AM   in reply to jorgebraque

    jorgebraque wrote:

     

    Yes you are right. I thought of that. Well i said 300ppi as it prints so small pixels that get unnoticed by eyes. Printing over 125ppi gives pixels smaller than 0.2mm. That is adequate for eyes.

    About the zoom level you are also right. I mentioned that before. If photoshop could render "precise" at every random zoom level that could work.

    Printing at lower resolutions (eg. 120, 130, 140...) gives your more control of what you see on the screen and what gets printed.

     

     

    Now you're confusing ppi with dpi, and pixels with printer dots.  (And there's no way to make any sense out of that last sentence in your post.)

     

    When I send a 360ppi image to my Epson printer, the printer does not use just 360 dots per inch, but either 1440 dpi or 2880 dpi.  The image has 360 pixels per inch, not the printer.

     

    You would REALLY benefit from reading that web page, carefully and in its entirety.

     
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    Jul 21, 2012 6:09 AM   in reply to jorgebraque

    jorgebraque wrote:

     

    Yes you are right. I thought of that. Well i said 300ppi as it prints so small pixels that get unnoticed by eyes. Printing over 125ppi gives pixels smaller than 0.2mm. That is adequate for eyes.

     

    Adequate, perhaps, in some opinions, but in others certainly not optimal.  I can easily see differences in printed images at differing resolutions up to about 600 ppi.  If the most detailed possible prints are what you want to make (and it's usually what I want), you need that high pixel count and to overkill the resolution.

     

    It doesn't mean you HAVE to upsample an image.  If a less detailed, somewhat fuzzy print is what you want, just print it.  Modern printer drivers generally do a good job with whatever you feed them.  Whether you feel a print is acceptable to you at 125 ppi is of course entirely up to you.

     

    A tacit assumption is sometimes made that the photograph is sufficiently well-captured to print at high resolution.  Sometimes they're not!  I used to print 8 x 10 images from my 1024 x 768 digital camera back in 1997.  You do what you can with what you've got.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Jul 21, 2012 6:26 AM   in reply to jorgebraque

    jorgebraque wrote:

     

    …Can you stop posting cause you don't understand what i'm talking about...?

     

    No, it just doesn't work that way, Jorgito.  You don't get to tell others when or what to post in these user to user forums.

     

    You're wrong, I do understand what you are talking about, the problem is that you do not know what you're talking about.

     
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