I'm a bit baffled. I just hooked up a new Dell u2410, I've installed the driver. I've then used lightroom to output a few pictures with colors I think would be ouside srgb as tiff files in both srgb and adobe rgb format.
When I view the photo's there is absolutely no differnce. I have the monitor set on Adobe rgb.
When I switch the monitor back and forth between adobe and srgb I see differences in the photo's both in lightroom and in my windows folders, but when I leave the monitor on adobe viewing mode and output identical files to each color space and view them side by side in windows and in faststone image viewer they are identical. I have changed the CMS setting to allow the imbedded color space of the photo be viewed.
What am I doing wrong?
Why is it that you expect the photos to look different? AdobeRGB and sRGB are not that much different. Increase the Saturation and/or Vibrance and Try exporting one of the photos as ProPhotoRGB and see if you see any difference between that as sRGB. Use the soft-proofing view in LR4 and check to make sure a lot of the photo is out-of-gamut. The indicator actually shows for colors that are very close but still inside the gamut.
Try these. I have three jpegs with fully-saturated colours in sRGB, Adobe RGB and ProPhoto RGB. The colours in the Adobe RGB image are outside sRGB, and those in ProPhoto are outside even Adobe RGB. On my wide-gamut monitor I can see a difference.
If your browser is colour managed (which means Firefox or Safari) then you should see a difference in your browser. Or save the images on your computer and import into Lightroom. Again, doing that I can see a clear difference.
Okay, so in firefox, the colors on these charts above look different, by a fair amount. I also tried dramatically boosting the vibrance and saturation on a few photo's with red's, oranges and greens. They don't look any different when viewed in a windows preview or in Faststone (which says it is color managing to the imbedded icc profile).
I then took the same photo's and opened them in photoshop and used the imbedded icc profile. There is a clear difference when viewing in photoshop.
There must be some issue with color management in windows. Is there a setting I am not getting to?
You say that my three images appear different from one another in Firefox, which they should. They were created in Photoshop with 100% saturated colours in each of the three colour spaces. In other words, R, G and B values are 255 or 0, depending on the colour patch. If you save the images on your machine (right-click in Firefox and "Save Link As...") then the jpegs should look different in Photoshop and if you import them into LR they should look different there, too.
However, most images don't look different on a wide gamut monitor. I have two monitors: one wide gamut (larger than Adobe RGB) and one with a gamut close to sRGB. I've got tens of thousands of raw images, and very few look much different on the two monitors. It's only when I create artificial images like the ones above that the difference hits you in the face.
The reason: most pixels in most images are within or close to the sRGB gamut. Highly saturated colours (outside sRGB) aren't very common in nature. That's not to say you won't see a difference on a wide-gamut monitor, but it won't be huge (or shouldn't be) in most pictures.
Okay, so I saved the images and viewed them inside of windows folders and Faststone and there is no difference there. Clearly this is an issue with the color management of windows. I'll have to research how to get that dialed in.
Which version of Windows?
The Windows XP photo viewer ("Windows Picture and Fax Viewer") isn't colour-managed, but the Windows 7 viewer ("Windows Photo Viewer") is colour-managed, and should show a difference between the three images.
I don't use Faststone, but I Googled and found a reference at http://en.kioskea.net/faq/20748-faststone-image-viewer-enable-the-colo r-management-system that suggests you have to explicitly turn on colour-management by checking an "Enable Color Management System" option. Another Google hit at http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1006&message=34670930 suggested that at the time (2010) some people were having issues with Faststone colour management, but that may have been user error!
Thanks for all the replies. I am using Windows 7. I can see the differences if I open them in Windows photo viewer, but I cannot see any differences when they are simply viewed as previews inside of the oOS folder system. I have checked the appropriate color managment box in Faststone, but it doesn't seem to do anything, must be a bug.
I guess it comes down to the operating system itself not being color managed like a mac os. The programs (even the built in ones like windows photo veiwer) appear to have the color management, but the raw OS (and it's folders) don't. I thought that with all of the options in the color managment section of windows 7 that some combination of those things would allow the os to show the difference. I tried a bunch of different settings and nothing was any different. Do you know of a way to color manage the os itself and therefore the previews?
The core operating system isn't colour managed, only applications. I think that's true of the Mac OS as well, but more apps are colour-managed.
At a low level in the operating system - video driver level, say - it can't really colour manage, as the OS generally won't know whether the data being written to the screen is a photo, what colur space it is and so on. So (on Windows, at any rate) the desktop itself is not colour-managed.
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