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Bill Junk
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Does PSE 10 support and is it compatible with Adobe Camera Raw Process 2012?

Jul 21, 2012 7:33 AM

I recently upgraded to Photoshop CS6 but am still using Photoshop Elements 8 Organizer to manage my collection.  It appears that the new Process 2012 that is available with the Camera Raw processor is not supported by PSE 8 and in fact PSE 8 changes (as best it can) the adjustments back to Process 2010 if I add a caption to a photo in the Organizer.  This also happens if I write properties and tags to to the image file.  Does PSE 10 support Process 2012?

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  • 99jon
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    Jul 21, 2012 7:47 AM   in reply to Bill Junk
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    Sorry Bill, only Lightroom 4 and CS6 supports PV 2012.

     
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    Jul 21, 2012 8:07 AM   in reply to Bill Junk
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    The camera raw 6.7 plugin for pse 10 supports process 2012, you just can't adjust the new process 2012 settings in the 6.7 camera raw plugin.

    Unfortunatly for whatever reason pse 10 hasn't been updated to camera 7.1 so that one could adjust the process 2012 settings.

     

    To the question whether the organizer would use the 2012 settings or revert to the 2010 process i don't know.

     
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    Jul 21, 2012 8:30 AM   in reply to Bill Junk
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    Okay i did a test on a couple of raw files in the pse 10 organizer that had been processed using the 2012 process and then added captions and tags.

    The pse 10 organizer seems to maintain process 2012 as long as you have the 6.7 camera raw plugin for pse 10.

    Tested on windows.

     

     

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  • 99jon
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    Jul 21, 2012 8:45 AM   in reply to R_Kelly
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    So you can only make adjustments using PV 2010?

     
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  • Bill Junk
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    Jul 21, 2012 9:35 AM   in reply to 99jon
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    I have Lightroom 3 but never really liked it and thought that the PSE Organizer was cleaner and easier to use thus it is more of a match to the way I like to work.  Consequently, LR 3 just sits on my computer and isn't used.  Has Lightroom 4 made any fundamental changes in the way they let you organize, tag, and manage files in your collection?  My complaint about LR 3 is that it seems to flatten my image tagging structure when I import catalog data from PSE.  My tags are hierarchical / nested.  I have a very nice and organized file structure for maintaining my collection and don't like relying on a database to keep track of everything.  If the Lightroom DB every goes belly up I suspect that years of adding entries would be lost.  The way I'm currently organized and having key information stored in the image files I can usually find what I want quickly using something as simple as Windows Explorer.

     
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  • 99jon
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    Jul 21, 2012 9:47 AM   in reply to Bill Junk
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    Organizer and Explorer both have their advantages, but unfortunately not the new algorithms for highlights, shadows, blacks and whites found in PV 2012.

     

    I have no inside knowledge but I would imagine that Elements users will have to upgrade to the forthcoming PSE11, in the same way as Lightroom and Creative Suite users have had to upgrade.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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  • dj_paige
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    Jul 21, 2012 11:49 AM   in reply to Bill Junk
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    Bill Junk -- your entire set of comments seems to be way off topic, but I'll address them anyway. If you want to continue this discussion about LR, you should really start a new thread (and probably in the LR forum)

     

    Has Lightroom 4 made any fundamental changes in the way they let you organize, tag, and manage files in your collection?

    There are minor changes to the Library Module in LR4, but nothing major.

     

    My complaint about LR 3 is that it seems to flatten my image tagging structure when I import catalog data from PSE.

    This would happen because you are doing it wrong. If you upgrade the PSE catalog to a LR catalog, your tag structure/hierarchy remains intact.

     

    I have a very nice and organized file structure for maintaining my collection and don't like relying on a database to keep track of everything.

    But the tags in PSE are in a database. Your folder hierarchy is really a database in your operating system.

    If the Lightroom DB every goes belly up I suspect that years of adding entries would be lost.

    There are so many misconceptions about LR. I have no idea how this gets started, but this isn't true. There are simple ways to prevent this from happening.

     

    Suppose your Windows (or Mac) folders (which are a really a database in your operating system) get corrupted. Suppose your hard disk fails. Then what would you do?

    The way I'm currently organized and having key information stored in the image files I can usually find what I want quickly using something as simple as Windows Explorer.

    Lightroom has this capability too.

     
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  • Bill Junk
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    Jul 28, 2012 7:48 PM   in reply to Bill Junk
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    Despite the general disapproving tone in the last posting (#7) that is more critical of the way I choose to work than helpful in addressing my issue, I have now determined that if I updated PSE 10 with the ACR Version 6.7 download then PSE does recognize changes that I make with the PS CS6 camera raw editor (7.1).  The fact that I personally don't like the Lightroom product seems to be an issue for dj_paige.  He / she is certainly entitled to their opinion about the product and if they like it by all means should continue to use it and help others who have questions, but you should not automatically expect everyone to share your opinion.  Those that don't share your opinion aren't automatically wrong.  I think Lightroom tries to hide or obscure too much of what one is trying to do when editing an image.  I prefer the layered approach used in Photoshop.  I know many other people who strongly prefer to work with Photoshop and avoid Lightroom completely.  Diversity makes for a much more interesting world.

     
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