I'm on CS6 and having serious issue impeding our workflow.
Video 1/Audio 1:
EOS 60D DSLR
Audio 2/Audio 3:
Zoom H1 audio tracks
All of the audio is 48000 Hz/16 bit as is the sequence.
When I click all 4 tracks (1 video + 3 audio) and drag to new location the audio sync is shifted. In other words the original position of the tracks is not maintained. Same result with cut & paste.
Nothing prevents sync from being lost, even if I use link or group.
Oddly, when I use UNDO, the tracks are put back in original position also out of sync.
On CS 5.5 is doesn't seem to be any issue. It also works fine on Final Cut X
This is really costing us time, and we can't seem to find a solution.
TOP PHOTO shows top everything in perfect sync. Bottom is after clicking the four tracks and dragging to the right a few seconds. Everything out of sync!)
BOTTOM PHOTO shows sequence settings
Sequences normally show timing based on the frame rate of the video, for instance 30 frames = 30 tick marks and that is as close and you can get when lining up audio tracks, 1/30th of a second increments - limited precision. If you hit the drop down menu at top right corner of Sequence window, you can change from frames by checking "Show Audio Time Units". You can then edit at the precision of the audio rate, such as 1/48000.
Perhaps if you did this to sync your clips, and are then copy/pasting them to a New sequence which is NOT set to Show Audio Time Units, then it reverts to frames resolution and the clips are jumping to nearest frame? Just a guess
Safe Harbor Computers
Jeff, thanks. Yes, exactly- I use the waveforms ("Show Audio Time Units") to line up and sync audio manually. Works well.
But when I shift (click and drag) the tracks on the SAME sequence (so I assume there shouldn't be an issue wrt sequence settings), the tracks mysteriously shift. It seems to be a bug. All I want Premiere to do is place them in new position exactly same way.
Reproducing that behavior here, I see what you mean! I don't have the right set of clips (same audio from multiple sources) to test this at the moment, but try this. Get the audio clips shifted so the waveforms match, using Show Audio Time Units. Then switch back to frames view. Now use Shift + Razor at ends of clips (beginning and end) and trim off a few seconds. Revert to "Show Audio Time Units" and zoom in. Are ends of video and audio clips all flush? Meaning the audio clips are now "cut" at the FRAME marks on Sequence, as they must be if ends are even with video clips.
If so, copy and paste and check alignment of waveforms once more. Wondering if having the staggered clip ends, where audio is off a partial frame, causes Premiere to shift them to nearest frame when pasting? Maybe if ends are all "even" before copy/paste they will behave better?
If doing the above doesn't work, then I'd call it a bug! Just thought of a workaround. Position audio so it matches up, then Export Audio to create a new audio clip. Replace audio clip on timeline with the new clip, which was rendered out at the frame level and will therefore "snap to" and match video clip always! So match up and render/replace audio at start of edit, before cutting anything up.
Safe Harbor Computers
Jeff, thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately I tried all those (and more) and no luck! Export workaround works, but will slow us down. For now our best option is to rollback to CS 5.5 where cut/paste and shifting leaves tracks exactly as is (as it should!). Thanks again for the help & suggestions!
Attached another photo hopefully adding more detail for any ADBE product managers out there who can take a look...
It's so I can get fine enough resolution/detail to sync up audio tracks. Regardless of whether the timeline is in time units or not, unfortunately the track shift issue in screen shot above persists. Very frustrating (especially when it works fine on CS 5.5 and FCX)!
I duplicated this as well.
Do this shooternz (and others):
Take a video clip and a couple of audio clips and put them on the timeline. Don't be picky, you are not going to either watch or listen. If you selected audio and video from the same clip, make sure to unlink them.
Line them all up at the beginning of the timeline.
Zoom all of the way in at the beginning of the timeline
Change the view to Audio units
Select the audio on track one and using your numeric keyboard, type the + sign and 1000
Select the second track's audi and type +2000
They should all be starting at a different point in time
Uncheck audio units to go back to frames.
Select all tracks and drag one frame.
Zoom back in using Audio units
See a problem?
By the way, this research has crashed my Premiere Pro twice now.
Basically, the audio must be trimmed to begin at the start of a frame. Or it will shift to accomplish that goal without your wanting it to.
The main problem I see is that my second frame starts at 1601 audio units, the second at 3203 and the third at 4804. I guess it is OK. Just jump at 1600 units and multiples of 1600. I figure that 48000 divided by 30 is a nice simple 1600 - but 29.97 causes a problem. It comes out to 1601.6 - so if you are really going to do this right, use 1601.6 as your number. If you are a complete lunatic or the clip is very long, use 1601.601601601602
I'm still having this issue, just as others above have confirmed.
Dragging clips that are synced (dual-system audio) results in shifting of tracks. Even CTRL-Z (undo) can't restore properly aligned tracks!
Tried on fresh CS6 PP install on another computer. Same problem.
Note: this works fine on CS 5.5 and FCPX.
This is killing our business.
Anyone from Adobe?????!!!! Hello??????!!!
Doesn't help the above described issue. I did find a workaround though - saw it on another thread. Making sure the front end of the clip is snapped to frame, I then go into audio units and use the slip tool to align the audio more accurately. At that point, I create a subclip of the audio and redrag back in over the top of the original. This seems to remedy the original issue, but it sure is a few extra steps. If anyone has a better suggestion, I'm absolutely all ears.
You did of course say to start the audio at the beginning of the frame. In my workflow, I did just that. Audio was snapped to frame before making any other adjustments. It was then that I went to audio units, made adjustments using the slip tool, and lined up my lav's and boom to the camera reference audio. I then switched back to frame and continued to edit. Using the track select tool and ripple edit tool with snap turned on in frame mode, I noted that after moving the audio files on the sequence to another location, the two audio tracks had moved in time. The beginnings of the audio files were visually still snapped to frame. I replicated this a number of times, but couldn't come up with a workaround until I created a subclip.
I wasn't trying to question anything you said and I certainly could be missing something within my troubleshooting or problem solving process. Like I said, I'm totally open to whatever I've missed here!:)
Hmmm. Maybe I am missing something.
Let me get this straight. You edited in audio units and verified that the clips started at the beginning of a frame. Then when you moved the clips, they slipped in time? To where? If they started at the beginning of a frame, where are they after you move them?
I understand the problem if you don't start at the beginning of a frame, but not if you do.
Perhaps you can take a bunch of screen shots and show us exactly what is happening?