I was thrilled to discover that the Muse team has created a contact form widget. finaly!!!
Now I have two questions, in order to get those new widget features I'll probably need to update my version of Muse. right? If so, where can I do it?
Second thing, in the linked video the man mentioned that these options are only avilable for those who publish there websites through Business
Catalyst. Is it the truth? if it is this is so upsetting!!!
Although I am working on my first site with Muse so I'm able to publish it with BC for free, but it is an outrage! as a person who bought only Adobe Muse (and
not Creative Cloud pack) I was going to publish all of my sites on third-party server!
I am now wondering is there a way to do something about that? Is there a way to make the wonderful new widget work on any published site?
Thanks in advance (-:
Yes, this feature is coming in the new beta of Muse which will be released soon. I'll be posting instructions for participating in the Muse beta shortly.
In regards to the functionality of the upcoming contact forms feature, Zak clarified this will only work with Business Catalyst in the following thread:
...the form functionality coming in 2.0 it targeted primarily at contact forms. If you have "quite a large form" then you will likely still want/need to use a different solution.
The new form functionality uses standard HTML/CSS for the form, but form processing requires integration with server-side code. What will be part of Muse 2.0 works with Adobe Business Catalyst. In order to use the form with some other back-end server solution, the code output from Muse would have to be altered.
First of all thanks for clarifying everything Corey.
Second thing... I'd like to ask you a general question about publishing via BC.
Is it possible to use my own domain? a domain which I already bought.
A new Forms widget that integrates with Business Catalyst is available in the current Muse beta. You can learn more about this feature in the Muse Release Notes (August 1, 2012 beta) and this AdobeTV tutorial on creating contact forms: New Built-in Support for Contact Forms
Here is more information on how to participate in the Muse beta program: Participating in the Muse beta program
Hi, is there forms widget going to be free at any point? It's a bit unfair that you have to sign up to Business Catalyst first and pay for that and then have rights to use the forms widget. What is the point in having it then if you have to pay for that first. Surely if your part of the creative cloud you should be entitled to using the forms widget for free no matter.
Truly agreed! Is there any point can export the contact forms into php or HTML instead host by BC? We design website for our client so not thinking sync with BC so I suggest if Adobe Muse Team could come up something for 3rd party. We are Adobe Muse user so sometime BC is not useful for us, Adobe Muse team done a great job on this BUT please work out something for non-BC user. Think overall.
Some design agency not require BC.
Muse has many features that work on any hosting platform.
There are some features that require server-side support in order to work. Web forms are one of these features. They require some server side code to process the form submissions. By using BC forms, the experience of creating and publishing a form is seamless, because Muse can configure the form on the server and generate the HTML so the form will work as expected. This would not be possible if we didn't know what server-side code would be processing the form.
Also, with respect to the comment about not wanting to pay for creative cloud and also BC hosting:
A subscription to Adobe Muse includes hosting for 1 BC webBasics site.
A subscription to Creative Cloud includes hosting for 5 BC webBasics sites.
See https://creative.adobe.com for more information about web hosting.
What 3rd party Form solution would you like Muse forms to work with?
I know that the new forms only work if you publish to BC but it says that " In order to use the form with some other back-end server solution, the code output from Muse would have to be altered." I have created a site for a client and I just export it to HTML and then they put it on their server. What would have to "altered" for the forms to work? I use Muse because I am a designer and don't really know code that well (just enough to get in trouble) so how hard is it?
adobelance, I believe Adobe should licence a formmail script (http://www.tectite.com/formmailpage.php is one but there are many others, platform-agnostic, open source and freeware), and inject that script when the Muse user (Muser?) uploads their site to their own hosting using the built-in upload facility. I don't believe this would pose a significant challenge to your talented coders at all.
That statement was meant to explain the complexity and issues around server-side code, not a suggestion to edit the code Muse creates. The code generated by Muse is not intended to be edited downstream. Please see the following:
This seems to be one of the biggest complexities one would have to deal with in creating a web site in Adobe Muse. I am currently working on this myself. I AM NOT in anyform a web site coder. I have decided to migrate from iWeb to Adobe Muse for apparent reasons. I use Godaddy as my host server. The most complex process in Adobe Muse is a Contact form. Sure one could use a 3rd party form such as JotForm etc. but then you are faced with trying to retieve your emails etc from another mail server. This is quit obvious to the lamin that it is not smooth workings. Godaddy is one of the largest North american web hosting companies, one would think that this would be something the Adobe web team would realize. I have read all the posts and recognise the server language barrier, but as a "simple" user this basically cripples the final phase in a functional web site. This post is in no way intended as a finger pointing exercise but as the typical day of an adobe user. I hope there is a sunny sky in the near future for us common users.
I have been using an older version of coffeecup.com form builder... I just used it a few minutes ago. When I went to the iPad to test it. Oopps.. don't work with iOS.. so I went to their website and they have a new version and it's responsive.. the interface is very simple to use and I am going to try the new one now. "Trial" I as a "Designer" would "strongly suggest" this product either licensed or bought by Adobe.. I will let you know how it works out. http://www.coffeecup.com/web-form-builder/ BTW Muse is working out very nice for a "Designer" like myself. Forms is the biggest challenge so far.
A form builder that only works with Business Catalyst is probably of no use to most of us as we use our own servers. I am using Jotform but would rather have something built into Muse that works similar to Jotform without having to use Business Catalyst. Adobe Staff...is this something that might be in the works?
My first use of Muse was disappointing when it came time for the Form page.
The site is not hosted on BC - So . . .
I had to design the Form in Dreamweaver then link to that page from the Muse menu.
Thankfully I have a couple of forms ttemplates I have designed so it's just a matter of customization.
IMHO - Any form widget that doesn't work on a non BC host is worthless.
Adobe can hype their 'Forms Feature' all they like but it's not being heard by a large number of Muse users.
Out of my own frustration with not being able to use the supplied contact form in MUSE without hosting my site on BC, I've been looking though the forums to find a solution. I came across yours, have checked out the site, and am returning here to inquire your experience with CoffeeCup... did it work out? I'm also interested in the ease at which you're able to import the developed form script from CoffeeCup, directly into your MUSE site. Was it an easy process?
Thanks in advance for any insight you might be able to offer.
Yes. Great Success has been found using Coffeecup. There are some
limitations if you do not want to purchase the $69 program. The cost is
nothing compared to what you are able to do now. UNLIMITED FORMS for 70
bucks.. well worth it.. It can also be intergrated into MailChimp for free
but with limitations. I have not spent much time in it. But I was able to
generate a form in about 3 minutes which included signing up for MailChimp
and finding the api key you need to tie the two together.. but the back end
you have is amazing.. the reporting you have along with the autoresponder
is very kewl. I am very impressed to far. Plus they are the only company
to have a truly responsive form.
Just for clarification to the group: I am not employed by any of these
guys.. it is only a solution I found and am excited to find it. I could do
a whole video tut should there be enough demand.. but If I can do it in 5
mins. all you pros can do it as well. Here is the form
http://goo.gl/ZV7nP if anyone submits data I will email you back what
the results look like..
they are fully editable as well. Even hidden fields to show what page the
form came from. Just saying..
I use iContact which provides me the html from their server side to input onto any web page and any site. It works in DreamWeaver but does not work in MUSE.
I always export my sites in html format to DW to upload them via FTP to other servers. And when I preview the form code prior to uploading, the form code is the exact same code I get from iContact. But for some reason the forms will just not publish properly.
May I ask how (the steps please) anyone using externally generated html code for forms gets them to publish properly? I did the Insert HTML in MUSE just as I would any other code.
Cerastes, please move the iContact form discussion over to http://forums.adobe.com/message/5162614#5162614 where someone asked the same question yesterday and we'll attempt to work through it. Thanks.
Some forms work using server side functionality running on a 3rd party server (like jotform, wufoo, FormsCentral, etc).
Other form solutions run on your webserver(like BC forms, or a PHP form script). These solutions may not work on all web hosts. For example, some hosts do not allow running PHP scripts. If you try to use a PHP form script on one of these hosts, it will not work.
Many Muse users have expressed a desire for Muse forms to work on hosts other than Business Catalyst.
The Muse team regularly reads these forums and implements popular user suggested features. Perhaps you'd like to vote for the 'forms on other hosts' idea.
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