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Dynamic Link from PPRo & AE does not update once file is rendered.

Aug 2, 2012 8:11 AM

Tags: #after_effects #premiere_pro #ae #cs6 #ppro_cs6 #dynamic_linking #render_file_does_not_update

I posted this as a response in another thread, but it has gotten very little commentary, and I don't feel it is being addressed, so I'm going to post this as its own question. I appreciate any input, and would really like to hear from an Adobe team member.

 

I have 2 Mac Pro machines that have recently been updated to CS6(Production Premium). This occurs on both machines. And is not specific to any one item being changed. It occurs to any changes being made AFTER rendering into PPro.

 

If I link between PPro & AE comps/sequence, I can make changes in AE and it will update to PPro as long as it has not been rendered. However, if I render the sequence in PPro, and then go back to AE and make changes(and yes, I am saving it before returning to PPro), it does not unrender the PPro sequence, and will not update.  It remains rendered in the sequence as if nothing has changed. No matter what I do to the imported AE comp in PPro, it will not unrender. (short of adding an adjustment layer with an effect above it all in the sequence to force it to unrender - this is my workaround for the moment).

 

I've gone so far as to delete the linked comp out of PPro, and re-import the AE comp, and if I drop it on the same sequence it pops immediately back up as rendered.  My guess is it has something to do with the global cache.

 

This is not a legacy issue, as this project was created from scratch in CS6.

 

Here's the workflow

 

Create PPro Proj  -> import footage -> edit video -> save.

 

Create AE Project -> edit composition to desired effect/graphics etc... -> import or drag comp from AE to PPro -> Lay AE comp on video layer above base footage -> Go back to AE make any desired changes and Save -> return to PPro, and project is updated -> Render ALL in PPro ->  realize something needs to be adjusted in AE -> go to comp in AE, make adjustment & save -> return to PPro and find that it will not update/refresh/unrender.

 

 

 

I'm aware of how sequences are affected when they are not pre-rendered. However, I'm specifically talking about once the file is rendered there is an issue that did not exist before CS6. In CS5 & CS5.5 I could render in PPro, make changes in AE, and the rendered timeline would become unrendered, and show the updated information from AE without having to manually delete any render files. I've done it thousands of times, and until CS6 it was not an issue. Having to manually delete the rendered file from the sequence defeats the entire purpose of dynamic linking - You make a change in one program, and it updates to the other without manual input - That is the point of dynamic linking.

 

Is there a setting in the preferences that I can change to make this work again? How can this be addressed without manually deleting the rendered file each time?


TL;DR - PPro doesn't refresh changes from AE once it has been rendered in PPro without manually deleting the render.

 
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    Aug 2, 2012 1:51 PM   in reply to jesmo71

    Works for me in Windows.

     
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    Aug 2, 2012 2:21 PM   in reply to jesmo71

    You're welcome.

     

    It's always my pleasure to help bring folks 'back into the light'. 

     

    Actually, my point was more that it does work correctly in CS6.  What you're experiencing may be a local installation issue.  However, it's possible that the cause might be related to the OS, so I felt it relevant to mention that, as Macs do seem to throw up more errors than Windows these days.

     
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    Aug 2, 2012 3:34 PM   in reply to jesmo71

    Ive used dynamic link ALOT on my 2008 Mac Pro running Lion. After I would make changes and save the AE linked project, the PP timeline would then update. Ive since moved to PC where I have not had any problems either. So it seems to be something unique to your system.

     
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    Aug 3, 2012 6:31 AM   in reply to jesmo71

    Yes, as a beta tester I have been using CS6 on my Mac (doing this function) for the last 8 months. No problems like you have experienced with it. FYI I ALWAYS  render AE linked projects on the PP timeline since  its  a good idea to insure playback at speed.

     

    Are you highlighting the linked clip on the PP timeline and using Edit Original to access the AE project to make your changes? Are you saving your AE linked project before going back to PP?

     
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    Aug 3, 2012 7:11 AM   in reply to jesmo71

    Jesmo, your machine isn't broken.

     

    I'm on a Mac too and have experienced it.  It is a known issue, and I have been contacted by an Adobe engineer trying to track down the bug.  They are aware of it and are actively trying to fix it.

     
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    Aug 3, 2012 12:09 PM   in reply to jesmo71

    jesmo71 wrote:

     

    Thank you needles27. Seems like they could have saved us all some time and headache and just posted something saying "We're aware of it. Standby.".

    Unfortunately, with a few exceptions, the engineers don't really post messages like that.  It took 20K views and 300 posts in the Serious Error thread before the engineers started to communicate.  To their credit, they participate in the forums on their own time, so getting any feedback here from Adobe is just a bonus at this point.

     
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    Aug 3, 2012 2:04 PM   in reply to jesmo71

    The engineers may not be aware of it.

     

    I mean, it works for me on Windows, and it worked for lasvideo on Macs.  So this is not a consistently reproducible issue.

     
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    Aug 3, 2012 3:48 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    I have been contacted directly by an Adobe Engineer about this issue on Macs and tried some troubleshooting with him. For me, I wasn't able to reproduce it at that moment, and of course that makes it a challenge to track down a solution. I think for me it was happening only on projects that originated with CS 5.5, but not new ones created in 6.

     
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    Aug 7, 2012 3:12 PM   in reply to jesmo71

    I am aware I am in the minority here, but we have been having this same problem with Dynamic Link on multiple machines at my work as well. I have found that it works sometimes if I drag the Dynamic Linked comp onto a different timeline, but it gives me the same rendering problem described by jesmo when I put it on the same track it originally linked to. We are on Mac Pros using CUDA graphics cards and the problem arises even with projects originating in CS6. I will try to take note of all circumstances the next time this happens and follow up to see if that helps the Adobe engineers.

     
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    Aug 7, 2012 7:22 PM   in reply to jesmo71

    Interesting. I know lots of folks using CS6 on both Mac and PC and none of them are have this problem 

     
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    Sep 14, 2012 3:16 PM   in reply to jesmo71

    Hello, can anyone verify that this is still an issue?  I am having the same problem, exactly as described.  I have the latest PPro updates, so it obviously isn't a bug that's been fixed yet.  Is everyone with this problem still using the adjustment layer workaround?  

     
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