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LR 4 - filtering by folders in library no longer works?

Aug 6, 2012 1:15 PM

Tags: #filtering #folders #smart_collections #lightroom4

Hello,

in LR3 folder panel if I wanted to filter missing photos or smart collection for selected folder-s, it was possible by crtl+click on a folder to see the selection in the grid which I used quite often. Now it no longer works. Has anyone noticed? I wonder why it's not possible with LR4.. Thanks

 
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    Aug 6, 2012 1:31 PM   in reply to noalorama5

    Yes, it did change.

     

    Ctrl-clicking between folders and Collections did an intersection in LR3

    and earlier. Now, in LR4, it does an union of the two.

     

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    Aug 6, 2012 5:14 PM   in reply to noalorama5

    I wish Adobe would not just change stuff like this that people have gotten used to taking advantage of. I mean, I'm sure the union is useful too, but so was the intersection, and now everyone who took advantage of the intersection is screwed. Why not just add an option, instead of changing the behavior out-right? I realize that Lightroom is trying to stay streamlined and simple..., still, once the door has been left open for a while, shutting it often leaves people out in the cold. In this case for example, no behavior had been assigned to shift-ctrl-click on a folder, so that could have been used for the newer behavior - nothing cluttering the UI: just one more line on the list of keyboard shortcuts. If Adobe really felt the intersection behavior was bad for business, i.e. newcomers getting confused, the shift-ctrl-click could have been used for the older behavior. That would require the old-timers to re-learn, but at least the capability is still there............

     
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    Aug 6, 2012 10:40 PM   in reply to Rob Cole

    @Rob, Agree.

     

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    Aug 7, 2012 12:48 AM   in reply to noalorama5

    I thought maybe they'd learn from the sticky filters fiasco...

     

    I prefered it the other way too - not worth crusading over, but I'll give you the +1 vote.

     
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    Aug 7, 2012 1:37 AM   in reply to noalorama5

    noalorama5 wrote:

     

    but why to change it in a first place? I wonder if simplicity or such was the reason as I don't think it was confusing or complex. It just worked when you wanted and was much more useful then the union IMO. On the contrary the union is confusing to me. Wish they would change it back.

    The current behaviour is how most people would expect ctrl clicking to work. That's a good enough reason.

     
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    Aug 7, 2012 5:44 AM   in reply to noalorama5

    I'd say the current use is much more common than you think. Collections, like folders, are "sources" or containers, regardless of whether they are virtual or not. In almost evy common case, such as Explorer or Finder, Ctrl or Cmd clicking does a multiple select. I'm pretty confident that was why the old behaviour was removed, or corrected.

     

    In a way, what you're doing is filtering the folder. Would saving some filter presets not do the job, or look up my workflow smart collections article.

     
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    Aug 7, 2012 11:35 AM   in reply to noalorama5

    In a way, you're pointing to how missing photos is poorly-implemented. I agree that it's of much less use as a simple global collection - it should be available as a field in the filter panel.

     
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    Aug 29, 2012 9:15 AM   in reply to noalorama5

    I also find the "union only" situation frustrating.

    But it occurs to me that it's actually a natural behavior.

     

    Smart Collection are so convenient it's a pity we can't use them as permanent complex filter that even have an image counter.

     

    Solution #1 :

    Giving us a keyboard shortcut (ctrl+alt maybe) that show the intersection of selected sources.

     

    Solution #2 (much more elegant) :

    Allow the user to have a new "Selected folders" option as a source for a Smart Collection.

    This would be in the SC rules where at the moment you can only set a "hard" folder rule.

     

    With this solution you could have a SC set "Selected folder(s)" with stars, lens, reject, colors, crop, developing status sub-SC sets ;

    then you click on any folder(s) and boom...

    your SCs update and visually gives you the number of images rejected in the folder, or the number of images shot with your 50mm or the number of "5 stars" or processed images in the folder.

     

    Solution #3 (temporary fix) :

    Create SC sets as per Solution #2 but with the Quick Collection as source.

    When you want to filter a particular folder, you select all its content and add it to the Quick Collection.

     
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