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Capture stops no matter what settings I try.

Jul 3, 2012 11:33 AM

It doesn't seem to be possible to tell Premiere Pro to capture a video until you tell it to stop. To save others from taking a trip around the web for a help page, I've already found and read this topic. We're trying to capture VHS video. Typical VHS player attached to a Datavideo DAC-100 converter. Output from the converter via FireWire.

 

First I'll cover the steps we tried. This to save time asking if we've tried x,y,z.

 

1) Turned off Scene Detect and Abort capture on dropped frames (actually, never had them on for any attempt).

 

2) Under Device Control, we've tried both selecting Datavideo (which is the type of converter we have) and Generic. Also tried all three of the Timecode Format options with both device options.

 

3) Tried it with the Device Control set to None (which produced the best run we could get with a manual start).

 

4) This is on mid 2010 Westmere Mac Pro, 6-Core Intel Xeon with 16 GB of RAM.

 

5) Have tried both in Snow Leopard, 10.6.8 with Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and under Lion 10.7.4 with Premiere Pro CS 6.

 

6) Tried clicking Tape to start the recording (the worst results no matter what the other settings) and a manual start (the best).

 

After going round and round, we finally determined what's happening. Premiere Pro is stopping the capture anytime it thinks it detects a time code difference. This no matter where we have the settings.

 

If you click on Tape to start, it's the worst. Any change (the video camera was turned off, then turned back on even just 5 seconds later), the capture stops. Very annoying since the tape is still running but you have to dismiss the naming box and then click record again. In that time you've lost the part of the video that was still going while you scramble to start it again. No, you can't back up because it keeps stopping at the same change in the playback.

 

What worked best was to set the Device Control to None, so the capture wouldn't be getting any type of timecode info from the Datavideo device, and clicking the manual record button.

 

Still a problem, though. The recording will run through short changes in the timecodes without stopping, but will still halt on a major change. Such as family videos a few months apart. They're right next to each other on the tape, like a cut scene, but the capture stops! And again, you cannot back up to get those missed 5-10 seconds because Premiere Pro will keep stopping on the switch.

 

So, how in the world do you tell Premiere Pro to continue capturing until YOU tell it to stop?

 
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    Jul 3, 2012 1:33 PM   in reply to Kurt Lang

    On Windows, it just works.

     
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    Jul 3, 2012 7:05 PM   in reply to Kurt Lang

    Sorry.  Like I said, that issue has just never cropped up on my Windows rig.

     
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    Jul 4, 2012 7:57 AM   in reply to Kurt Lang

    The problem is, that there are more PC users than MC users and AFAIK no PC user has a problem capturing, unless they have faulty cables or something similar. But you may have another problem using bootcamp and that is the wrapper. Using bootcamp will result in AVI files and though I know MAC users do not always have problems with AVI files, the normal capture on a MAC would result in a MOV wrapper. But you can try if that works.

     
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    Jul 4, 2012 8:28 AM   in reply to Kurt Lang

    >stopping the capture anytime it thinks it detects a time code difference

     

    Over in the Windows side of things, there are 3rd party programs to work with Firewire video which are "smarter" than PPro's rather limited Firewire module

     

    Even without installing a PPro trial in your virtual Win setup, you might see if one of these programs works for you... or Google to fine a Mac alternative

     

    Use OnLocation http://forums.adobe.com/thread/968911 or...
    I have NOT used either, but many say to try these for SD capture

    http://windv.mourek.cz/ or http://www.exsate.com/products/dvcapture/
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    I have NOT used it, but many say to try this for HDV capture

    http://strony.aster.pl/paviko/hdvsplit.htm
    -Regular interrupt due to card http://forums.adobe.com/thread/978014

     
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    Jul 4, 2012 9:02 AM   in reply to Kurt Lang

    I hope you find a solution that is both low cost, and WORKS for you

     

    My first computer was an Apple IIe (about a million years ago, in computer clock terms) which worked very well for what I wanted at that time

     

    I switched to an IBM clone to be able to use dBase (and the Clipper compiler) to create standalone database applications

     

    My computer is a tool, and each person needs to pick the tool that works best for them... so I don't get into the Mac-vs-PC discussions

     

    If you can't find a free software tool for your Mac, $29 is a low price to pay for staying on the same platform

     
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    Jul 4, 2012 10:06 AM   in reply to Kurt Lang

    I might even spring the $29 for FInal Cut Pro X and use it strictly, and only for captures.

     

    You sure that's possible?  One of the major complaints when that hit is that it had zero tape-based functionality, neither in nor out.  FCP X was for tapeless media only.

     
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    Jul 4, 2012 10:08 AM   in reply to Kurt Lang
     
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    Jul 5, 2012 5:49 PM   in reply to Kurt Lang

    They can't really respond without admitting something is wrong with their programs. Which if they did admit to it I'd be suprised. They flat out denied the malware problems they where experincing until very recently when they where forced to change their wording on their website.

     

    http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=25022

     
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    Jul 5, 2012 7:03 PM   in reply to Kurt Lang
    Something is clearly wrong with QuickTime

     

    Now there's a shocker.

     

    I guess that would explain why I never saw this issue under Windows.

     
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    Jul 5, 2012 8:36 PM   in reply to Kurt Lang

    >tried to find a third party solution for the Mac. There aren't many, and the better rated ones cost just under $100

     

    That's too bad... as I said upstream, I've not used the programs I linked to, I just made note of their links after many mentions

     

    I don't know if programming for a PC is easier than for a Mac, or if it just a matter of market share, but there do seem to be a "fair number" of "free" programs that rely on donations from satisfied users to keep the programmer interested is supporting/upgrading his/her program

     

    Since you already know that the Windows version of PPro works on your computer, you might try the hdvsplit and see if it works, so you don't have to buy the Windows PPro

     

    As far as Quicktime... I don't use MOV files so do not have it installed, not even the free player

     
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    Sep 5, 2012 11:40 AM   in reply to Kurt Lang

    Did the Adobe apps put anything new in /Library/Quicktime? Is it capturing to a new codec that was installed?

    I've done quite a bit of capturing of analog signals and while it's annoying that fast forwarding or doing something on the VCR will stop capture, I believe it is because the the timebase of the video signal is being broken at that point. Jitter free analog video relies on a TBC on the hardware that is sending the signal and if the timebase goes out, then the capturing hardware doesn't know where the video signal starts (analog video being geared toward CRT's that to do scan lines on the tube). So I think that's just a fundamental part of analog video being digitized.

     

    The only way around it, I've found is if you have a standalone DVD recorder that can take in analog video and not go to blue screen or freak out when the analog source loses sync. I have a Samsung I got a few years ago that can tolerate this, so I record in via the composite inputs, then I finalize the disc, I copy the disc in whole and because I am on a mac, just add .dvdmedia to the folder and DVD Player will play it back as if it were a disc. You can also convert the VIDEO_TS folder with MPEG Streamclip to the codec of your choosing. It's how I've captured some poor quality that lose tracking and go to static...

     
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    Nov 26, 2012 6:38 PM   in reply to Kurt Lang

    Have you had any positive progress on this yet Kurt?  I am experiencing exactly the same issues with the added joy of continual freezing during the capture process requiring a forced quit. 

     
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