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I think there is an update coming soon — these videos just let the cat out of the bag! But how early? The video is dated Aug 1, 2012. It's Aug 8th today.
Just downloaded Muse (again) and CURRENTLY all the following options are shown in the Adobe TV videos but none of them are present or functional.
1. The New Widget Contact Form is not present.
2. The Alignment tool is not present.
3. The drag and place grid lines is functional.
4. The Import Adobe Edge files is not enabled.
I'm sure there's more missing that I don't know yet. But We need some answers here.
And I forgot to mention something else. Will there ever be a feature available to use contactforms without using Business Catalyst? I don't want to use that, I host with my own hosting companies
I believe the answer to that is yes. I watched the tuturials for NEW features NO WHERE TO BE SEEN YET (Adobe????)... You can add additional directories and upload scripts and other files. Of course, I wonder too, can I use a PHP or MailForm script within a hosted BC site?
Come on Adobe.... PLEASE don't tell me you are holding this back until September along with Apple updates. At least tell us where we can beta run a newer version of Muse!
Good news Helen. With a little digging around. I discovered the following:
Click the Help Menu bar. Select "Help Improve Muse".
Select the buttons to be in the Muse Beta Program.
INSTANTLY! I have a newer version of Muse ready to go with all the newest features.
Perhaps you can give them insight on using mail forms outside of BC hosting?
Really great feature! I had to make a formmailer myself with php and format it all by hand, including the landing page. Works perfectly but with this, it's much easier - no iframe-adding and coding.
Or let's say, this would be a great feature. But only when hosted on business catalyst? I have my own domains, and also my clients have there own domains... What is this? I mean, can't you programm it, so that it works with php? Even a coding noob like me is able to do so...
The way it works now, it's nice to look at, but useless... And I think I speak in the name of many others...
Sorry, have been very busy, so it took me a while to answer. Yes, I now also have the latest version, and most features are a tremendous improvement.
Still.. the form part is a bummer .
As far as I can tell, yes. Lovely way to make nice forms, but totally useless unless you use Business Catalyst. When subscribed to Muse you can host 1 website. I am a designer, so I need to host mutiple sites, and not just 1. I sincerely hope there will be another way to do this.
Of course, since it is possible to add HTML to your site, you can build your own form and embed it, but wasn't the whole point of using Muse that you don't have to go through coding stuff?
The temporary solution I use is Jot Forms. Works pretty good, but if you have a site with a lot of traffic, you will have additional cost.
Adobe: hear us! Make it possible to create forms and host them on our own hosting service!
I'm sure this is an "around your elbow to get to your butt-hole" approach. But I'm wondering. If I REALLY like using the easy forms set up for my client within Muse and BC. Then what if, using my own BC hosted site, I create my client form page, set their email address to receive the form info, and post the basic page to my site (i.e. clientABCform.html). Then, on their site (a non-hosted BC site), I set an iframe and pull in the form on the page.
I haven't tried it and I know there are issues to work around – like auto sending to a thank you page, or reset form, or reset to home page. I'm sure someone could figure this out.
There's always a solution whether complex or simple. The question is whether it's worth it.
you could do that, but then again, you could only handle 5 clients - you can only host 5 domains on BC. thats the number of sites you can create and host.
what you could be able to do, which I also think is what you meant, is to make multiple form-pages and landing pages under one domain. you could make a domain called "myclientsforms" or so, and besides one index.html, you would make "clienta-form" and "clienta-landing" pages. then put "clientb-form" and "clientb-landing" and so on. so that your muse-project would consist of one index and a lot of forms and landing pages.
although, in that case, I am not sure if you can create more than one form per domain on BC.
maybe someone should just try it out. the page size can be adjustet for every single page and the iframe is no big deal (you don't have to worry about the landing page because you can create it easily in muse and redirecting is done by the form).
if it would work, it would be a pretty nice thing. maybe i'll just try it during these days. if anyone else tries it, please write here, if it works.
Yes, that could be a solution to the limit of 5 clients and using the client's hosting service. Not a clean solution because the client's page is depending on BC for its forms to work.
The problem I see for Muse developers is that to be able to send forms, the hosting has to be able to run server side apps, and depending on the characteristics of the service, you could run a CGI script, a PHP file, a whatever-is-called-Microsoft-alternative-to-PHP file, etc. Also, the CGI script has to be in a certain folder of the FTP tree, The PHP files need some permission to execute appropiately, etc.
I think It is all a logistic nightmare for the developers at Adobe and also for the web designer. At the end, the web designer has to know more about technical details than how to upload the site.
I am using forms in my sites and I use a PHP file that somebody made to send the emails with the form data. It is very simple to use, but you have to get your hands dirty with HTML. Also, if you want to customize the appearance you have to make an extensive use of STYLES all along the code (I don't know how to put a CSS block in the header of a file or a call to a CSS file).
Maybe the solution would be that in the config menu of the Muse form widget we could define what method we are using for sending the form (BC, PHP, whatever-is-called-Microsoft-alternative-to-PHP, CGI, a form service...) and the URL/name/whatever of the script related to that method. (for example, in my case I am using a file called sendform.php located in the root of my site). This way we could use all the power of the widget with a minimal of technical info.
Also it would be nice if developers not related to Adobe could program new widgets for Muse. That's how things like Wordpress or Drupal grow. You have a base structure and everybody can add pieces to it just like Lego blocks (Hey, just like Photoshop plugins and actions!).
A widget for a photo gallery/slideshow that reads the data of the files from a XML list or similar is much needed.
With whatever-is-called-Microsoft-alternative-to-PHP I meant ASP, of course. I'm not sure if they are somewhat two different ways of doing the same since I don't really know a word of ASP but I've always seen hosting services with Linux/PHP or Windows Server/ASP so I assumed they were pretty much the same.
I have the exact same doubt about Flash and Silverlight
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