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Need closer integration with Photoshop

Aug 16, 2012 9:01 PM

Whenever I tell LR to edit a photo in PS (CS6), I get back a TIFF file that is 10X larger than the orginal RAW file, and I ultimetly delete it to save space (after first converting it to a jpeg). Why doesn't PS do LR style non-destructrive editing, i.e., why not simply return a record of the edits made in a format compatible with LR? 

 
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:27 AM   in reply to akadmon

    Photoshop can't work that way. It's a pixel editor, not a parametric editor like Lightroom. It isn't going to change. Disk space is cheap.

     

    Hal

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:32 AM   in reply to akadmon

    because that is not how PS was build. PS is a pixel editing program. always was.

     

    for TIF use losless LZW or ZIP compression in photoshop. makes them a bit smaller.

     

    JPG is .... lets say a bad choice for photographers to store their master files.
    JPG is fine for the web.. but that´s it.

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 5:09 AM   in reply to akadmon

    The things that Lightroom can do, don't need to go to Photoshop.

     

    Other things have to be done in PS using different methods and stored differently than would have happened in LR; or else, LR could have done them .

     

    These different methods may themselves have nondestructive aspects to them; in that some or all of those operations may be fully reversible, or may otherwise remain adjustable. But these are only nondestructive in their own terms, not in Lightroom's - in that the limit on how far BACK they are reversible, is up to Photoshop - and no longer up to LR.

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 6:22 AM   in reply to akadmon

    Why are your tiffs 10X biger than Raws?? Check your preferences and perhaps you use 16-bit tiffs. For 99.9% of photos 8-bit tiffs are absolutely sufficient and then the resulting file are much smaller.

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 8:47 AM   in reply to akadmon

    pixel editing edits the data of the pixel (for example the RGB values)... parametric editors leave the pixel data alone and only record the changes you make to that pixel as parameters.... that´s it in short.

     

    of course when you render an image (export to JPG or TIF etc.) the pixels appearance will be changed.
    the parameters will be used to create a new pixel in the exported file. but the original pixels are not touched!

     

    LR was created for that kind of operation.... photoshop not.

     

    http://dpbestflow.org/image-editing/image-editing-overview

     

    http://dpbestflow.org/image-editing/parametric-image-editing

     

    http://dpbestflow.org/image-editing/pixel-editing

     

    http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/pdfs/non_destructive_imaging.pdf

     

    i don´t know how easy you think it is to rewrite a program but what you wish will not happen the next few years.

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 9:25 AM   in reply to akadmon

    akadmon wrote:

     

    Thanks for the answers. I'm still a little confused. What exactly does LR edit if not pixels? Does the Spot Removal tool, as an example, not move pixels around?

     

    LR records the instruction set of all of your image adjustments–including your spot healing and storers it as metadata. None of your raw image "pixels" are actually effected unless or until you either export or open the images in Photoshop. Once processed into a gamma encoded RGB color space, they are no longer raw images–which in essence is a single channel of image data not yet a color file–but now a 3 channel color image of pixels.

     

    Photoshop has a concept of metadata editing...Adjustment Layers, but your base rendered image in Photoshop is by nessicity going to be much bigger than a raw file.

     
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