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How to re-create same collections in a new catalog?

Aug 16, 2012 7:26 PM

Tags: #smugmug #collections #new_catalog

I recently converted all of my pictures to a new format.  I want to make a new catalog, identical to the old one, with the new pictures.  I imported everything, but I don't know what to do about collections and smugmug folders.  I still have the old catalog, and all of the old pictures.  But I need to reupload all of the new pictures to my smugmug site, same as before.  So, I need to recreate every collection and add the new pictures like they were before.  Is there a faster way to do this?  Can I use my old catalog to somehow recreate the collections?  I still have the old catalog, and all of the old pictures.  All of the filenames of new and old pictures are identical.  I also have a few collections that I would prefer not to manually recreate.

 

I am not very hopeful.  But I appreciate any help on this one.

 

Thanks!

 
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    Aug 17, 2012 12:11 AM   in reply to ianaf100

    Explain precisely what you mean by "a new format". The rest of your question doesn't really make much sense.

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 1:52 AM   in reply to ianaf100

    If the filenames of the new pictures are identical to the old pictures, this means they must be in a different folder.

     

    So you could save a copy of your current Catalog, and open it, and re-browse the folder to point to the other location. This will keep all the same collection membership etc, but base the images seen on your altered files. The images previously seen may have live edits persisting; if these are inappropriate you can Reset all those images and clear these edits, for this new copy Catalog. (The edits in your main Catalog would still be preserved).

     

    However this whole arrangement sounds to me like a VERY strange way to use Lightroom, and unnecessarily complicated. Normally you just have a master image (based on a camera file or else on an externally edited working file), and use that to make outputs directly as altered by your live LR edits. Most people find it clearer and better to not import back to LR, the output files produced.

     

    So you wouldn't use LR to first convert an output file from a master, and then to manage and upload that. You would just use LR to manage your master, and to upload or print or save output files "on the fly" as needed.

     

    If you want to put a particular size or type of image onto the web, for example, then you set that up in the Publish service or else in an Export preset. If you then want to change your mind and upload a different size, quality or format of image, you would change the parameters of your Publish service or else of your Export preset, and simply run the same process again - working from the exact same Catalog edits working off the exact same ongoing master image.

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 4:48 AM   in reply to richardplondon

    richardplondon wrote:

     

    If the filenames of the new pictures are identical to the old pictures, this means they must be in a different folder.

     

    If I understand the orignal question properly, a new format means that the file names are not identical, and LR won't find them. DSC_0001.nef and DSC_0001.jpg are not the same filename.

     

    However this whole arrangement sounds to me like a VERY strange way to use Lightroom, and unnecessarily complicated.

    This I agree with this more than 300%. I'm guessing, but I think the original poster took some very large RAW photos and turned them into JPGs to save space; and even if that guess is incorrect, that is sad that he wants to do all this huge amount of work recreating a catalog just because he felt the need to change formats. Richardplondon's advice is very good. Lightroom has smarter ways to handle this, and extra hard drive space isn't terribly expensive, especially if you plan to be involved in digital photography.

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 12:29 PM   in reply to ianaf100

    ianaf100,

     

    What you are asking for can be done with the help of a plugin or two, but it may be worth explaining more about your objective and formats first.

     

    Rob

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 4:26 PM   in reply to ianaf100

    ianaf100 wrote:

     

    I am just doing a huge file conversion.

     

    What are you converting from / to?

     

    As I said in previous post, collections can be migrated from one catalog to another, if that's really what you want to do. But I think some more info would help us to best advise.

     

    Do you want to migrate regular as well as smart collections?, published collections only?

     

    Did you start the new catalog from scratch? If so, why? How far along are you with this new catalog?

     

    Rob

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 5:14 PM   in reply to ianaf100

    ianaf100 wrote:

     

    Okay, I'll explain it better.

    Thanks, that gives us a better idea what you're up to.

     

    I'm going to let John Beardy and/or other folks have a crack at this before I respond further. If you still need to migrate collections when the dust settles, I can help you with that. (I may also be able to help you keep from having to re-upload your photos to smugmug, which would be great if you have thousands - if only hundreds: may not be worth the trouble).

     

    In the mean time, a couple things to consider:

    * You already have the very same non-destructive editing capability for the original jpegs as you do for the derived DNGs, so that's not a valid reason to convert format, and because of that: most people do not convert jpegs to DNG.

    * However, there are some good reasons to wrap jpegs in a DNG envelope - as you've already mentioned, doing so will common-ize file format and handling, but perhaps more importantly, the DNG can store an edited copy of the jpeg as a preview, thus you can see Lightroom edits outside Lightroom without exporting (provided your viewer will extract and display the embedded preview from the DNG). You will still need to make sure the preview is updated in the DNG which is an operation not unlike exporting (jpeg image data is re-rendered with edits incorporated, but instead of storing in a separate file, Lr embeds the resulting image in the DNG file as a preview).

     

    Disclaimer: I don't use DNG for my files - I'm assuming the above-mentioned things work the same when wrapping jpeg data as raw.

     

    Rob

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 9:51 PM   in reply to ianaf100

    ianaf100 wrote:

     

    Okay, I appreciate the help! 

    You bet .

     

     

    ianaf100 wrote:

     

    * You already have the very same non-destructive editing capability for the original jpegs as you do for the derived DNGs, so that's not a valid reason to convert format, and because of that: most people do not convert jpegs to DNG.

    ...the DNG can store an edited copy of the jpeg as a preview, thus you can see Lightroom edits outside Lightroom without exporting (provided your viewer will extract and display the embedded preview from the DNG).

    That's what I meant with DNG's.  You can see the edits out of lightroom without destrutively saving the file.

     

    Most people export instead. Note: Lightroom *never* re-saves edits to jpegs, destructively. If you are nevertheless sure of what you want to do, just be sure you read the fine print. For example, I have *no* viewers installed on my system that could take advantage of such an embedded preview (which couldn't also fold in the Lightroom edits, I mean). *And*, you must update the embedded preview or it won't have the edits (which is nearly equivalent to exporting).

     

    Summary: As long as you know what you are doing, and how Lightroom works..., it's all good as far as I'm concerned, and I'll help. Just want to make sure you aren't about to step on your own toes due to some misunderstanding, eh?

     

    Rob

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 12:25 AM   in reply to ianaf100

    Ok, thanks for the additional details.

     

    I think you're going to have to go back a step or two in order to move forward. It'll take you less time than sorting things out.

     

    The way I would approach this whole task is by going back to your Jpeg-only catalogue and using Photo / Convert Photo to DNG.. This replaces all the JPEGs in the catalogue with DNGs, so you'll now have DNGs in your catalogue and the JPEGs will simply be left on disc in the same folders.

     

    How would that work for you?

     

    John

     
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