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Aug 4, 2012 7:46 AM

Why Premiere is behind from Edius in profomance wise, i've both on same system.

 

On 1080i timline the edius is more stable than ppro.

Why is that? I am patroling all over the web since for 2 months to get some facts on Edius vs ppro.

 

I've been working with ppro since 7/8 years..... Often people teased me that one day u'll going to switch to this EDIOT(edius).

Frankly i dont want to don't need to. But Adobe should have to work hard to keep the legend alive.

 

Back to my question why eduis works well than ppro?

 
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    Aug 4, 2012 8:50 AM   in reply to coredvideo

    On 1080i timline the edius is more stable than ppro.

    That is a very abstract statement. Can you elaborate on what you mean by "stable?"

     

    Good luck,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Aug 4, 2012 8:59 AM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    Bill's right.  Some details about the specific problem you're having are needed before we can provide any answers.

     
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    Aug 4, 2012 10:35 AM   in reply to coredvideo

    Read http://forums.adobe.com/message/4200840 and reply with LOTS more information

     
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    Aug 4, 2012 12:25 PM   in reply to John T Smith

    Well, I have used Edius ver. 5 and 6 a lot, but performance wise I think PPRO CS5 and beond I think is great with the right hardware (cuda card) fast discs etc. Even on my test system, an "old" quadcore with 8GB and 3 single SATA I discs, it is pretty fast on HD 1080i and stable as well.

     

    Ulf

     
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    Aug 4, 2012 1:53 PM   in reply to coredvideo

    For my home hobbyist, family movies (which means that I am not trying to recreate Star Wars with video effects or many layers) AVCHD editing is "as smooth as spreading warm butter on hot toast" (also the MP4 video from wife's Flip camera)

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    Asus P6 SE motherboard with Intel i7 930 CPU (built mid-2010)

    12Gig Ram and nVidia GTX 285 to use Cuda/MPE

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    My boot drive uses under 60Gig for Win7 & CS5 MC & MS Office & several small programs, with my Windows paging/swap file directed to another drive

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    My 3 hard drives for video editing are configured as...

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    1 - 320Gig Boot for Win7 64bit Pro and ALL program installs

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    2 - 320Gig data for Win7 paging swap file and video project files

    When I create a project on #2 drive, the various work files follow,

    so my boot drive is not used for the media cache folders and files

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    3 - 1Terabyte data for all video files... input & output files (1)

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    (1) for faster input/output IF I had 4 drives

    - use drive 3 for all source files

    - use drive 4 for all output files

     
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    Aug 4, 2012 7:07 PM   in reply to coredvideo

    16gb ram 1600mhz

    i7 860

    1TB x2 hard drives  No raid

    gtx 580

     

    I'd expect everything to run very smooth with this system.  There are a few things that might make it not run smooth.  For example, do you have any effects applied?  Is this a dedicated edit rig, or a general purpose computer that may have a lot of non-essential programs on it which could be interfering with PP?  What Operating System and version?  When you run PP, how many other processes are running?  Just saying "updated" isn't very informative, what exact version of PP are you using?

     
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    Aug 5, 2012 3:19 PM   in reply to coredvideo

    OK.

     

    I'm not yet seeing anything that stands out as the cause of playback issues.

     

    Run Task Manager and report how many processes are running when you edit.

     
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:55 PM   in reply to coredvideo

    Edius rock in terms of realtime performance. It was hard for me to drop Edius in favor of PP (Master Collection). I think in some ways Edius is better than PP but the integration between the Adobe programs is what makes PP shine.

     
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    Aug 5, 2012 8:50 PM   in reply to medeamajic

    medeamajic wrote:

     

    ... but the integration between the Adobe programs is what makes PP shine.

    Exactly

     

    /Ulf

     
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    Aug 6, 2012 5:18 PM   in reply to coredvideo

    I've used Edius 6 for almost two years now, and I can attest that it's way faster and more stable than Premiere CS6, while being a 32 bit program and is faster than PP CS6, without the need for an expensive CUDA card, since Edius only uses the CPU. It doesn't have many of the hiccups of Premiere, and you can play with JKL like crazy and it's responsive, which Premiere isn't. Premiere is much slower to respond to JKL keystrokes than Edius. On the monitor window, Edius displays footage smoothly, while Premiere does it with hiccups, at least at full resolution.

     

    That said, what made me invest in a $280 graphics card with CUDA and $600 in a Matrox Mini MXO2 to edit in Premiere is that Edius is still kind of lame in the filters that it comes with, and keyframing levels is horrible. Not to be said that you can't do great things with it, you can, but Premiere gives more creative freedom, not to mention that being profficient at Premiere will give you more jobs than Edius.

     

    But yes, for someone coming from the Edius world, Premiere seems awfully slow sometimes.

     
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    Aug 7, 2012 12:47 AM   in reply to Sebasvideo

    I am a long time user of Edius and Premiere , both have there weakness and strengths,I use both in many  of my productions, both run fine side by side on the same PC. The only thing which  concerns me is  hardware upgrading to keep up with Adobe software everytime new version is launched.

     
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    Aug 7, 2012 2:12 PM   in reply to Anthony Abegglen

    That's hardly true.  I've been using the same hardware since CS4, and it now runs CS6 like a dream.

     
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    Aug 10, 2012 11:29 PM   in reply to coredvideo

    Dear Coredvideo,

     

    You are 100% right that Edius 6 a lot more stable than Premiere pro. In these  days time is everything. Edius is very fast, stable and Real-time than Premiere Pro. I am user of Premiere since version 5 but even today Premiere CS6 has some flaws. Premiere Pro is way behind the Edius 6 I am giving some of the Advantage of Edius 6.0 & 6.5 that Premiere Pro CS6 does not have.

     

    Edius 6                                                                                                  Premiere Pro 6

     

    Real-time without CUDA card                                                                    Premiere None

     

    Excellent Keyboard Editing without mouse                                               Premiere None

     

    Multicam Edit without Cuda and Proxy mode                                            Premiere None

     

    Color Correction before Multicam Edit                                                      Premiere None

     

    Easy tweaking in multicam edit                                                                 Premiere None

     

    Matchig Clips/Tape in Multicam while editing if miss match                      Premiere None

    while editing 1000s times without losing Multicam editig sequence

     

    Full screen Views for every window and every monitor like:                     Premiere None

    Source view, Program view, Multicam View+Program view

    for both and Multi views and Capture view

     

    Real-time editing, color correction effects and transitions                        Premiere None

     

    Proxy mode editing                                                                                    Premiere None

     

    Player and Program View in Same windows if editing in single view         Premiere None

     

    Fast Rendering                                                                                         Premiere None

     

    Easy one touch sync with Plural eye software                                          Premiere None

     

    Editing Clips in timeline is very fast C for selected one or multiple clips   Premiere None

    and Shift+C for whole timeline in CTI rather than in Premiere Pro

    manually selecting track and multi tracks

     

    Switchig in 16:9 and 4:3 without closing the project                                  Premiere None

     

    High resolution display in source and program windows                           Premiere None

     

    these are some examles of advantages of Edius 6

     
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    Aug 11, 2012 7:39 AM   in reply to aftab.pk

    If you like Edius better, use that.  No one here is forcing you to use Premiere Pro.

     
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    Aug 11, 2012 9:10 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim,

     

    I am with you. I fail to understand a person, who has found the perfect NLE, for their workflow, and then insist that another NLE should be re-written to the specs. of their choice. The easy answer is "just use the one that works best for you."

     

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    Aug 12, 2012 5:05 AM   in reply to aftab.pk

    "Edius 6                                                                                                   Premiere Pro 6

     

    Real-time without CUDA card                                                                     Premiere None

     

    Excellent Keyboard Editing without mouse                                               Premiere None

     

    Multicam Edit without Cuda and Proxy mode                                            Premiere None

     

    Color Correction before Multicam Edit                                                      Premiere None

     

    Easy tweaking in multicam edit                                                                 Premiere None

     

    Matchig Clips/Tape in Multicam while editing if miss match                      Premiere None

    while editing 1000s times without losing Multicam editig sequence

     

    Full screen Views for every window and every monitor like:                     Premiere None

    Source view, Program view, Multicam View+Program view

    for both and Multi views and Capture view

     

    Real-time editing, color correction effects and transitions                        Premiere None

     

    Proxy mode editing                                                                                     Premiere None

     

    Player and Program View in Same windows if editing in single view         Premiere None

     

    Fast Rendering                                                                                          Premiere None

     

    Easy one touch sync with Plural eye software                                          Premiere None

     

    Editing Clips in timeline is very fast C for selected one or multiple clips   Premiere None

    and Shift+C for whole timeline in CTI rather than in Premiere Pro

    manually selecting track and multi tracks

     

    Switchig in 16:9 and 4:3 without closing the project                                  Premiere None

     

    High resolution display in source and program windows                           Premiere None"

     

    these are some examles of advantages of Edius 6

    A lot of these points are simply wrong, for example it is easy to color correct clips before multicam editing. You actually stated that Premiere doesn't have "Real-time editing, color correction effects and transitions".  I do that every day. I can only assume that you don't really know the program or your system is out of spec. Are you using a plug-in rt card or something?

    Switching in 16:9 and 4:3 without closing the project, wrong here as well. You can have multiple sequences with different aspect ratios and resolutions and framerates all open and easy to toggle between. If you can't, you have something buggy going on.

     

    I think you need to see a demonstration of what premiere can do. I worked on a simple multicamera edit of a music video where I have each cam track color corrected, chroma-keyed and matted on a color graphic, and had sections scaled or repositioned. It all played in RT and was completely responsive during editing. Most of my experience with CS5 & CS5.5 has been similar.

     
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    Aug 13, 2012 3:52 AM   in reply to coredvideo

    Unfortunately, I must agree to you.

     

    No pan shot without jerky play back with Premiere CS6 1080/50p with i7 3770, GTX 670, 250 GB SSD, Cuda enabled, 16 GB Ram . I really have tried everything to work that out (other hardware configurations, new sata cables, all possible bios configurations,...) . But in vain.

     

    At the moment I am testing Edius 6.5. Absolute smooth  playback also full-screen with effects!! Edius is my absolute new timeline reference :).

     

    Very hard to see that after using Premiere for so may years. I hope Adobe will fix the rough timeline. In the meantime I will try Edius for the first time for my new project.

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 12:59 AM   in reply to Stephen_Spider

    Hello All,

     

    I am not debating that which NLE is best. I like both  Adobe PP and GV Edius. I have just mention that I am a user of Adobe since years but why Adobe stills lacks some of the functionalities which some other softwares have. Discussing here does not mean to defend or down any NLE, rather to fix or enhance some of the functions in future. Since I have long association with Adobe so I want Adobe to resolve issues in further editions.

     

    Regards

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:52 AM   in reply to Stephen_Spider

    I have raiseed many points but maybe premiere can handle few points but I am talking about longer projects 3-5 hours corporate envnts like talk shows and conceerts and live events premires gets very heavy for longer projects. Premiere gets heavy when a lot of effects added in 3-5 hours multicam timeline.

    I am using Blackmagic Decklink extreme 3D card but that is not 100% realtime rather just an I/O.

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 4:10 AM   in reply to aftab.pk

    I must agree

    aftab.pk wrote:

     

    Hello All,

     

    I am not debating that which NLE is best. I like both  Adobe PP and GV Edius. I have just mention that I am a user of Adobe since years but why Adobe stills lacks some of the functionalities which some other softwares have. Discussing here does not mean to defend or down any NLE, rather to fix or enhance some of the functions in future. Since I have long association with Adobe so I want Adobe to resolve issues in further editions.

     

    Regard

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 8:46 AM   in reply to aftab.pk

    why Adobe stills lacks some of the functionalities which some other softwares have.

     

    For the same reason other software lacks a lot of features Premiere Pro has - they're different programs, designed and coded by different people working at different companies.

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 9:44 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Exactly, Jim.

     

    Ulf

     
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    Aug 17, 2012 6:35 PM   in reply to coredvideo

    coredvideo wrote:

    On Edius i just got crazy after 5 mints "its like A Cat who likes to roar like LION"

     

    I'm not sure what exactly drove you crazy in Edius, because its workflow is even easier to use than Premiere or any other NLE, provided that you take a minute to make your own windows layout to optimize the workflow, like you can do in Premiere. But Edius is not a cat, it beats every other NLE in speed, including Premiere CS6 with a GTX570, 6 cores at 3.2 Ghz and 16 GB of RAM. Even better, Edius doesn't even need a new Nvidia card for real time, it does it only with the CPU, while Premiere absolutely needs an expensive Nvidia card to have any real time at all, and even then, its real time is not as good as Edius'. I've used Edius for two years with an ATI Radeon 4850 HD and it has excellent real time playback, much better than Premiere with the GTX570.

     

    Another thing in which Edius is far better is in the video playback inside the GUI. Rarely I have seen Edius drop a single frame during playback of the source footage or the timeline, even after a clip had rotation, scale to avoid black borders due to the rotation, 3 way color correction, YUV curves, sharpness or blur, all stacked up together in one clip, and even transitions between two clips with all these effects, on a 1080 timeline, either 59.94i or 23.98p frame rate, while at the same time it was feeding video to the HD Spark card, which doesn't provide any real time processing, only output that comforms to broadcast specs.

     

    Premiere, even without a single filter applied to it, provides perfect playback through the Matrox MXO2 Mini to the external monitor or TV set, but the playback on the GUI is horrendous, the worst of any NLE I've ever seen, both on Mac and PC. It stutters ALL the time. The only way to make it smoother is to drop the resolution to half and play only one field, but this also affects output to the Matrox, so there's no way I would do that. In fact, most times I just hide the monitor window in the GUI and only preview on my TV set, because among other shortcomings, Premiere doesn't apply any BOB or similar deinterlacing to the window in the GUI, so you see all the combing of the interlaced lines. Edius plays it at full resolution and deinterlaces it properly, only for playback on the GUI, while sending the correct interlaced video signal through the HD Spark.

     

    The other thing in which Edius is better is the choice of stabilizer. I've been trying the Warp stabilizer that comes with Premiere and it's a joke. It takes f-o-r-e-v-e-r to analize the footage, again, on a AMD CPU with 6 cores at 3.2 GHZ each, 16 GB of RAM and a GTX570 card, and once you've used it on a few clips, the size of the project file grows to ridiculous sizes that causes saving the project to take several seconds, which is a very common complaint as far as I've read, so it's not a problem with my machine or OS installation. But the other day I tried loading the clip I wanted to stabilize on After Effects and applying the Warp stabilizer there. Even after several minutes of analysis, the result was horrible. The clip was a simple pan inside a church, handheld camera. The resulting clip has really weird movement, it waves as if the camera was being moved in all directions repeatedly, and I tried it several times with different options, including enhanced analysis.

     

    Edius doesn't have its own stabilizer, so they included Mercalli Pro 2 with it. I loaded the same original clip in Edius, applied Mercalli to it, it did the analysis at 10 frames per second (as opposed to the not even 1 fps of Warp) and better yet, the same exact footage looked like the camera had been on a steadycam.

     

    Granted, Premiere has a lot better filters and effects compared to Edius, but why do they even ship it with a slow and crappy stabilizer when it would be a lot easier to buy Mercalli Pro 2 from Prodad? And why is it that it can't play footage smoothly on its GUI like Edius, Vegas, FCP and even $100 consumer NLEs do?

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 9:04 AM   in reply to Sebasvideo

    playback on the GUI is horrendous, the worst of any NLE I've ever seen, both on Mac and PC. It stutters ALL the time.

     

    It works just fine for me.  (And I'd wager a whole lot of others as well.)

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 9:23 AM   in reply to Sebasvideo

    Edius does indeed have better realime performace and smoother play back than Premiere Pro. I have mentioned that to the Adobe team a few times. If you take a PIP and move it across the screen kind of fast Premiere Pro, Vegas Video, FCP X, FCPX 7 and most other editing systems will be a tad bit jerky but not Edius. I wish Adobe would drop the Mercury Playback engine and mimic the realtime engine of Edius. Edius is true realtime editing and not just realtime previews. The real time performance is incredible but  Edius does have some limitations when trying to make use of keyers and using transitions at the same time. Also the key-framing does kind of suck compared to most other editing systems. Edius got the job done for me but my clients don't need 5 layer of native AVCHD playing back in realtime but they do need Blu-ra discs with state of the art menus. That is where the integration of AE, Photoshop, Ilustrator and Premiere out shines Edius. Having said that if I did not use Premiere Pro Edius would be my next choice for a NLE. I can only hope some of this information will find it's way to the Adobe development teams.

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 9:27 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim Simon wrote:

     

    playback on the GUI is horrendous, the worst of any NLE I've ever seen, both on Mac and PC. It stutters ALL the time.

     

    It works just fine for me.  (And I'd wager a whole lot of others as well.)

    The realtime previews of Premiere Pro are good but not great. Having said that Premiere Pro works as good as FCP 7 or even Vegas but Edius is better. I wish Premiere had realtime previews that looked as good as Edius.

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 12:38 PM   in reply to medeamajic

    hello all,

     

    happy summer...

     

    it is my understanding that edius is so real time

    because it first transcodes all your footage into something

    easier to work with...

     

    however, with ppro you edit right away and in native resolutions...

     

    if you have a long event or discussion like you stated...

    how long does it take edius to first transcode everything?

     

    like others have stated, each program is better at things than the other...

     

    i have both installed on my pc laptop and pc desktop

    and use one or the other depending on what my outcome will be...

     

    i do believe ppro is capable of a lot more...

     

     

     

    peaceiteasy,

     

    j

     

    can i say b*e*e*r*3*0  here?

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 1:22 PM   in reply to tfi productions 44

    tfi productions 44 wrote:

    it is my understanding that edius is so real time

    because it first transcodes all your footage into something

    easier to work with...

     

    Edius edits native footage.

     

     

    tfi productions 44 wrote:

    however, with ppro you edit right away and in native resolutions...

     

    In your dreams maybe.   It takes Premiere Pro probably any hour just to conform the audio on most of my projects.   Sure, it's faster than transcoding, but it's not the immediate real time editing that was so readily marketed by Adobe.  It's tough to ingest all the footage and come up with a quick edit because conforming holds me back big time.  And then....  if I hand this over to another editor, it has to conform all over again.  We've never managed to transfer the conformed files and have it use them without producing duplicate conformed files.

     

    FCP-X OTOH lets me edit native and immediately with no conforming.  Why can't Adobe do this?

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 1:32 PM   in reply to ExactImage

    hey all,

     

     

    my bad...

     

     

    i was under the influence

    that edius needed to transcode to its canopus format first

     

    just checked the website...hmmm...

     

    have a good day,

     

     

    j

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 10:19 PM   in reply to tfi productions 44

    productions 44.   In your comment you stated you had both programs installed on your laptop and desktop. You also stated it was your understanding that Edius needs to transcode. What gives? Do you have Edius or not?

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 9:44 AM   in reply to medeamajic

    hello all,

     

    i have ppro 5.03  and i have edius 6

     

    i never got around to using edius much because of the

    'needing to transcode into its own format'

     

    and my projects weren't that long in ppro so

    i didn't have to wait to conform before i started editing

     

    i went to look at my edius program but it got glitched up

    somehow and i need to reinstall it to verify

     

    i'd be happy as a kateupton dress if i was wrong

    about the whole thing...

     

    will repost after i test out

     

    thanks...

     

    j

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 10:36 AM   in reply to tfi productions 44

    tfi productions 44 wrote:

     

    i have ppro 5.03  and i have edius 6

     

    i never got around to using edius much because of the

    'needing to transcode into its own format'

    No ofense, but it seems to me that you don't know much about Edius. If there's one program that is the absolute champion at not having to transcode anything before use it's Edius. Granted, before version 5.5 you used to have to transcode AVCHD footage to use it, but that was over two years ago. And when it finally accepted AVCHD natively, it was far better at handling it than any other NLE. Unless you use some kind of really strange format, nothing is better than Edius at real time.

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 11:29 PM   in reply to Sebasvideo

    I think many of the Adobe purist users maybe are missing the piont of the question that was posted, it is not an attack on the holy cow, We are all users of the products , and each product has it strengths and weakness, I use both on a daily bases, if Adobe could incorprate many of the features and look of FCP in CS6 so quickly, Adobe could do same with Adobe and  Edius strengths. I do not think this thread was ment to be turned into who's better than who. it could end up in a unpleasend fight , which ends up in personal attacks.

    Just my 2cents

     
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    Aug 20, 2012 7:49 AM   in reply to Anthony Abegglen

    hello all,

     

    i agree with anthony...

     

    different tools, different strengths...

     

    i got edius 6 working again on my laptop

    and STAND CORRRECTED about native avchd footage:

    edius will accept it...

     

    however, it wasn't 'butter', so now i will install edius 6

    on my desktop and see how that compares to ppro 5.03.

     

    i do think ppro is capable of a lot more built in effects

    and also to dynamic link between other adobe products is

    an advantage...

     

    note:  i do not know edius at all...i bought it for like half price

    with my teacher's license and never got around to using it...

    now that i know it edits native avchd footage...i'll be learning how

    to use the software properly...

     

    take it easy,

     

    j

     
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    Aug 20, 2012 1:44 PM   in reply to Anthony Abegglen

    I do not think this thread was ment to be turned into who's better than who. it could end up in a unpleasend fight , which ends up in personal attacks.

     

    They always go that way ....and they also end up the same .

     
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    Jul 22, 2013 11:00 AM   in reply to Sebasvideo

    Do you have any experience in after effects and then taking that project into Edius. Denzil

     
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