I am confused about something.
I see various catalog files (LRCAT) on my hard drive. It appears to me as if these are of 2 types. First, there appears to be what I would call a single "working" LRCAT file. It seems to always be updated, any time I make changes to my catalog.
Second, there appear to be Backup LRCAT files which are created when I exit Lightroom and I tell it to create a backup. These types of files are created in folders with the format DATE & TIME. Any time I create one of these Backup LRCAT files, I can direct it to what folder it should be saved in. I currently have 4 or 5 of these....I do periodically delete older versions.
It does makes sense, but what I would like to know is how do you change the location of the "working" LRCAT file? Right now, this "working" LRCAT file is in the following folder:
Pictures\Lightroom\Backups\2012-01-06 1552\Lightroom 4 Catalog.lrcat
The preview folder is also in Pictures\Lightroom\Backups\2012-01-06 1552.
I also should note that the old LR3 Catalog file and previews are in this same 2012-01-06 1552 folder. I haven't deleted them, yet.
I can place the newer backup files in any location I want to when I am asked to. However, I don't see how to change the location of the "working" backup. I am not sure how this "working" backup got into the 2012-01-06 1552 folder, anyway, because I didn't upgrade from LR3 to LR4 until a few months ago....I believe early June.
I simply want to place it in a new folder because the name of the current one, 2012-01-06 1552, is confusing. I want it to say something like "WORKING LRCAT FOLDER" or something like that. I also want to keep it separate from the backups. I could try to rename it, but I don't know if LR will then lose track of where it is.
Will I have to create a new Catalog in LR4 in order to put it where I want, and then re-import all of my photos? What about the Preview folders and files? I'd like to keep these in the same location as the Catalog files.
Lightroom doesn't care what folder things are in, so in one sense, you are making a mountain out of a molehill. The easiest thing to do is to do nothing, and stop letting this issue bother you.
Nevertheless, if you must, if your folder where the working catalog resides is named 2012-01-016 1552 and you want it to say "WORKING LRCAT FOLDER", then close Lightroom and use your operating system to rename the folder, and then double-click on the proper .LRCAT file.
Will I have to create a new Catalog in LR4 in order to put it where I want, and then re-import all of my photos? What about the Preview folders and files? I'd like to keep these in the same location as the Catalog files.
Extremely important rule of Lightroom usage, on an importance scale of 1 to 10, this rates at 197.8. NEVER RE-IMPORT PHOTOS! NEVER! NEVER! NOT EVEN ONCE! Did I mention you should never re-import photos? Because bad things can happen when you do that. That is all.
In a similar vein, Lightroom is an excellent tool for managing your photos. You seem to be concerned with managing your catalog file, and in my opinion, that's not a direction you need to spend time and effort on. Manage your photos, not your catalog file.
First, thanks for the suggestion. I guess I should have known that; I will try it.
Second, the reason why I do worry about it is that I periodically delete old backups. I almost deleted that "2012-01-06 1552" folder because I was thinking it was just, oh, well, an old backup folder. In fact, it has the current LRCAT file in it. That's why I'm concerned about it. I would like to be able to name that folder so that I don't forget what is in it and accidentally delete it. Yes, that's why I have backups, but it's good not to delete the original file if you can avoid it.
As far as re-importing my photos, I guess I didn't ask that question the right way. I never re-import photos anyway. I have my import function set up so it does not import suspected duplicates. The gist of my question gets to where does LR create the new catalog, and do I have a say in where it gets put. I don't create new catalogs very often, so I frankly do not remember how these got created, how they're named, and where they are placed. I have no idea why this LRCAT file for LR4 is in that 2012-01-06 folder. It does not make sense. I might have updated an older version of LR3 in January, but I really do not think I did. But I do know I certainly did not upgrade to LR4 in January because it was not out, yet. The gist of my question was to try to rename the LRCAT file and put it into a location that I would not mess with.
What I was thinking initially was that I would delete the photos from the current catalog but not from the disk, and then I would reimport them into a new catalog that was created with a name I wanted. That's why I asked the question the way I did. But your solution should work, and it's a lot easier.
I know LR is an excellent tool for managing my photos. In addition to photo editing, that's what I use it for. I think I manage my photos very well, thank you, and because of that, my questions sometimes pertain to other things. I won't go into details, but I have a concurrent issue right now with a backup system I use, totally separate from LR. It's an external drive that backs up my internal drive, where I keep all of my photos and LR catalogs. For some reason, one or more of the LRCAT files is not backing up onto that external drive. That's what started me looking into this whole thing.
I appreciate your solution, and I will try it. But there are things you may not understand about why I am asking them, and, therefore, you cannot say that I am "making a mountain out of a molehill."
It's not a good idea to keep your Lightroom catalog on your system drive. So I would simply move it using your OS File manager to another drive or at least another partition. Then if you lose your system, you don't lose LR.
Having moved the Lightroom folder (complete with previews etc), run LR by double-clicking on the LR catalog. LR will open and in your prefs you can tell it to always open this catalog from this location. If you want to rename the folder, do it before you click on the catalog and run it.
As to backups, they do take up space but you can zip them to about 1/10th of their size, and then you don't need to bother about deleting so many. I keep loads of backup catalogs zipped; just incase I ever need to go back.
Hope this helps,
Bob Frost
It is not a good idea to keep backups on the same disk as the original. In fact, in my opinion, it is mandatory that your backups go on a DIFFERENT physical disk than the original. The reason for this is that the disk which stores your original catalog will fail eventually. If you backups are also on this disk, then you have ZERO copies of your catalog. This is not a good thing. If your backups are on a different disk, you still have a very recent copy of your catalog.
The gist of my question gets to where does LR create the new catalog, and do I have a say in where it gets put.
Yes, you tell Lightroom where to put it. However, it is a good idea to have only one catalog for ALL your photos, unless there are subject matter reasons to keep them separate, for example like business and personal.
What I was thinking initially was that I would delete the photos from the current catalog but not from the disk, and then I would reimport them into a new catalog that was created with a name I wanted. That's why I asked the question the way I did. But your solution should work, and it's a lot easier.
Okay. Don't ever think about re-importing!
bob frost wrote:
It's not a good idea to keep your Lightroom catalog on your system drive. So I would simply move it using your OS File manager to another drive or at least another partition. Then if you lose your system, you don't lose LR.
I have to disagree. There is no problem keeping Lightroom's catalog on your system drive If you have backups on a different physical disk (not a different partition of the same disk), then you are protected. Many people put the catalog on the system drive as it is often the fastest drive on most systems.
I know I shouldn't be putting the backups on the same physical disk. I've been doing this, but I also have been backing up that internal physical drive to an external drive. That's where I thought I would be protected. But, as mentioned, not all of the LRCAT files are backed up on that external drive, and I have yet to figure this out. I think it might have something to do with the Archive attributes......because the backups created by LR might already be considered as "Archived," then maybe that software I use to backup to an external drive might not be backing up to that external drive? I'm not sure, but the weird thing is, some of the LRCAT backups are backed up; others are not. I just discovered this lately because of an issue I have had with that external backup system. I'm still working on trying to figure this one out.
But, your comments lead me to think of another thing I should do. I actually do have 2 internal drives, the system drive (C:) and the G: drive, the latter one being the drive I put my picture files on. I need to put those LRCAT backup files on that G: drive rather than the C: drive, where the working LRCAT file is.
Thanks.
Thanks, Bob.
I have 2 internal drives, the C: and the G: drives. The C: drive is the system drive, and the G: drive is the internal terabyte drive I use to store all of my picture files on (JPGs, NEFs, TIFFs, etc.).
My working LRCAT file is on that C:\ drive. However, the backups also are on that C:\ drive.
I do have an external terabyte drive, the H:\ drive, which I use to backup a small part of the C:\ drive and all of the G:\ drive. As mentioned, some, but not all, of those backup LRCAT files on the C:\ drive are indeed properly backed up onto the H:\ drive.
I think what I will do, based on your comments and comments from DJ, is to now start writing my backup LRCAT files to the G:\ drive instead of my system drive, C:\. Then, I'll not only have the backups on G:\, separated from the C:\ drive, but I'll also have the backups backed up on the external H:\ drive. However, I still need to try to figure out why currently, not all of the backup LRCAT files are not backed up onto H:\!
Thanks.
From: "dj_paige
I have to disagree. There is no problem keeping Lightroom's catalog on
your system drive If you have backups on a different physical disk (not a
different partition of the same disk), then you are protected. Many people
put the catalog on the system drive as it is often the fastest drive on
most systems.
It may be the fastest disk, but it is doing a hell of a lot of other things
while LR is running. LR spends a lot of time reading and writing to temp
files on the system disk, as well as all the OS stuff reading and writing.
Just as PS works best if you give it another disk for the scratch files, I
think you will find that LR works best if you put the catalog and previews
on another, so reading and writing to them is not competing with the reads
and writes on the system disk.
And by not having your LR folder on the system disk, you don't have to go to
backups of cat files, nor do you lose previews etc. It all remains ready for
use when you reinstall the system.
But YMMV.
Bob Frost
I'll consider that as well, Bob.
I'll first do what I mentioned above....that is, start writing the backups of the LRCAT file to my G:\ drive, just to ensure I do have backup on a separate drive.
Then, I'll consider putting the working LRCAT file, along with the previews, on another drive, other than the system drive. I forgot about the preview files. I do need to think about them.
But, I will tell you that right, now, I am very happy that LR has greatly speeded up for me, after what I told you yesterday.....I turned off the automatic backup to my H:\ drive of the Preview files. That has helped tremendously on my desktop, where I do most of my work.
Then, I'll consider putting the working LRCAT file and the previews elsewhere....but now that I'm thinking about it, I'm not sure I want to put them on the G:\ drive because that's where my backup LRCAT files will go.
More things to think about!
It may be the fastest disk, but it is doing a hell of a lot of other thingswhile LR is running. LR spends a lot of time reading and writing to temp
files on the system disk, as well as all the OS stuff reading and writing.
Just as PS works best if you give it another disk for the scratch files, I
think you will find that LR works best if you put the catalog and previews
on another, so reading and writing to them is not competing with the reads
and writes on the system disk.
And by not having your LR folder on the system disk, you don't have to go to
backups of cat files, nor do you lose previews etc. It all remains ready for
use when you reinstall the system.
But YMMV.
Setting up disks to achieve max productivity is pretty far from the original topic. Your original statement was about what happens if you lose your system disk; it was not about setting up your disk for optimal performance.
I agree that if you can do this, its a good idea, but not everyone has multiple internal disks.
Hey, Bob.
I was curious about your statements concerning putting the LRCAT file onto other than a system drive, particularly with respect to read/write activity. I have not tried moving the working LRCAT file, yet; however, this morning, I wrote a BACKUP to the G:\ drive instead of the system C:\ drive. I was amazed....the time to do this, even with Optimization and Testing Integrity turned on, was substantially faster. This must have dropped from about 20 minutes on the C:\ drive down to 2 minutes on the G:\ drive. There must be an awful lot of activity on my C:\ drive (or, maybe something else).
I'll keep writing the backups to the G:\ drive, now. That makes a big difference for me!
I will still probably keep the working LRCAT and PREVIEW files on the system drive. I don't want to put those on the G:\ drive because the G:\ drive now has the backup LRCAT files on them. I still have the external H:\ drive which is backing up the G:\ drive, but, as mentioned previously, I have a problem with these LRCAT files backing up to the H:\ drive, even though they are set to. And, as mentioned, because of my automatic backup system, I really think there is something happening with that Archive attribute that is causing this. But, that's not a LR problem.
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