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Photoshop CS6 - save as EPS - no JPEG Preview?

Aug 29, 2012 3:01 AM

Tags: #jpeg #preview #eps #cs6

Hi!

I was just trying to save a 8-Bit CMYK file as Photoshop EPS - I can only choose TIFF as preview format. How's that?

Best Regards,

Eric

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1. station_two,

Aug 29, 2012 3:14 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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Maybe your file has alpha channels or layers?

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2. Eric Peters,

Aug 29, 2012 3:49 AM in reply to station_two

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No layers, no alpha channels, no paths :-(

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3. Gernot Hoffmann,

Aug 29, 2012 3:57 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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EPS doesn't allow JPEG previews - only TIF or WMF (PC) or PICT (Mac).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encapsulated_PostScript#EPS_previews

Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

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4. Eric Peters,

Aug 29, 2012 4:08 AM in reply to Gernot Hoffmann

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Photoshop EPS files were allowed to have other preview formats, see this screenshot of PS CS4:
Now, in CS6, the options for Macintosh and Macintosh (JPEG) are missing...

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5. station_two,

Aug 29, 2012 4:47 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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Eric Peters wrote:

Photoshop EPS files were allowed to have other preview formats,…

Now, in CS6, the options for Macintosh and Macintosh (JPEG) are missing...

Yes, that was most certainly true on the Mac.

I practically never deal with CMYK or EPS, so I hadn't noticed the disappearance of those options. That's why I speculated about layers or alpha channels.

Oh, well, yet another reason to keep CS4 around if you deal with EPS!

(I haven't checked CS5. Though I did install it, I've never used it. I simply skipped CS5 and went from CS4 to CS6.)

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6. station_two,

Aug 29, 2012 4:48 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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OK, I've just checked CS5, and all three Macintosh options are still there:

It looks that they were eliminated in CS6.

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7. Eric Peters,

Aug 29, 2012 4:51 AM in reply to station_two

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Yes, in CS5 the options have been available as well, so Adobe must have changed something in CS6 I guess...
But what to do - we still need EPS with JPEG preview, because the TIFF preview is very crappy if you have to place the images in InDesign :-(
Should I start a feature request?

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8. station_two,

Aug 29, 2012 5:00 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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By all means do. I'll support you in the spirit of solidarity, even though I don't deal with EPS any more.

Just so it's clear: I'm not affiliated with Adobe in any way.

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9. Eric Peters,

Aug 29, 2012 5:17 AM in reply to station_two

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I just talked to the german Adobe Support - they took note of the issues, but now they first have to figure out if it is a bug or a feature ;-) So, anyway, thanks for your support until now. I'll keep you updated :-)

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10. Noel Carboni,

Aug 29, 2012 6:46 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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What's showing in Photoshop CS6 on PC:

Same thing in Photoshop CS5:

Does the Encoding field just apply to the main image? I ask because there are JPEG options there, and I have no familiarity with EPS format.

-Noel

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11. Eric Peters,

Aug 29, 2012 6:56 AM in reply to Noel Carboni

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Yes, the encoding field has only got influence on the main image :-) Maybe Adobe got rid of the preview options for the Macintosh because they wanted PS on OS X to be "closer" to the PC version ;-)

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12. Gernot Hoffmann,

Aug 29, 2012 7:51 AM in reply to station_two

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That's strange - JPEG preview in EPS.
The PostScript Language Reference Manual 2.Ed., which
specifies EPS, does not allow JPEG explicitly, just TIFF, WMF(PC)
and PICT(Mac).
The 3.Ed. doesn't mention EPS anymore (nothing new then).

What happens, if a correct PostScript Interpreter encounters
such a JPEG in an EPS? Error? Negclect (ignore)?

Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

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13. Bo LeBeau,

Aug 29, 2012 8:51 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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The fault lies in your Display Performances settings in InDesign.
You obviously have your setting on "Typical", change it to "High Quality" and the "problem" goes away.

In the screenshot below, the left image is with a Tiff preview but Typical Display Performance setting
the middle image is with a Jpg preview but also Typical Display setting (note the jagged diagonal beam)
the right image is with a Tiff preview but High Quality Performance setting.

Click the images to see an enlarged view.

The Macintosh 1 & 8 bit options I believe are PICT files, PICT was an early format that has since been deprecated.
Even in the Pagemaker days of more than 20 years ago it never made much sense since page layout programs could deal with TIFF previews for EPS files.

Of course, the issue is why even use EPS files. EPS is an older format with some limitations,
These days just place PSD, TIFF or PDF. The world moves forward!

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14. station_two,

Aug 30, 2012 2:24 AM in reply to Bo LeBeau

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(EDITED due to misinterpretation of your post. My bad.)

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Incidentally, I agree with you that EPS files for the most part are a thing of the past, although for vector illustrations in page layout and word-processing programs and in conjunction with PostScript savvy printers they still perform admirably.

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Message was edited by: station_two

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15. station_two,

Aug 30, 2012 2:25 AM in reply to Bo LeBeau

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Please note I edited my previous post. My apology.

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16. Eric Peters,

Aug 30, 2012 3:18 AM in reply to station_two

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I agree with you all that using Photoshop EPS files may be a bit outdated, but we never faced any problems in our workflow with these files, so I wouldn't like to change anything within our existing system.
Also we are still using an OPI Server, alltough some people might say that this is outdated as well. But we are working with a lot of really big image files (500 MB and more), so that placing layout files and letting OPI take care of the highres data while printing is still more effective.
Having already said that we are working with a lot of huge image data, setting InDesign to "High Quality" preview is not an option for us, because that would decrease InDesigns perfomance way to much.

So, that's why we still need the Macintosh JPEG preview option in Photoshop EPS :-)

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17. Eric Peters,

Aug 30, 2012 3:20 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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BTW - why is InDesign still 32-Bit? ;-)))

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18. Eric Peters,

Aug 30, 2012 3:29 AM in reply to Gernot Hoffmann

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@ Gernot – today we are mostly sending HighRes PDF for printing to our print house partners, so the PostScript to PDF conversion is done here inhouse, using Helios OPI Server and Acobat Distiller.
I don't know what is written in the PostScript Language Reference Manual about EPS with JPEG preview, but I can ensure you that it really works without producing any PostScript errors :-)

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19. station_two,

Aug 30, 2012 3:53 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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Eric Peters wrote:

BTW - why is InDesign still 32-Bit? ;-)))

The short answer is, of course: because Adobe hasn't written a 64 version.

I guess the InDesign team has different resources and different priorities. You should ask in their forum.

Inconsistency between or among applications in the artificial "suites" should come as no surprise.

The "suite" concept is a fabrication of Adobe marketing and bean-counting types. The engineering teams are totally independent of each other, they are not only in different buildings but in different cities and states of the American Union, even in different countries.

The fact that they have little if any communication among them is highlighted by requests occasionally made in these forums by top Adobe engineers to let the other teams know when there are problems in one application that impact our workflow in another one.

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20. Gernot Hoffmann,

Aug 30, 2012 4:30 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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Eric,

no doubt -after reading all posts - you are sending EPS with JPEG
preview to the print house.
On the other hand - the PostScript Language Reference Manuals are
compulsory.

Here comes an explanation (a guess):
The preview is indeed and in fact a TIFF. But each TIFF can contain
a JPEG preview. Thus, the JPEG would be embedded in the TIFF.

This may explain as well Beau LeBeau's observations #13.

By the way, I'm programming PostScript illustrations directly. Nothing
outdated with EPS - PostScript is a very clean programming language.

Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

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21. Eric Peters,

Sep 5, 2012 8:10 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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OMG.

I reported the case to Adobe one week ago and still nobody can tell me if it is a bug or a feature.
I just called the technical support again, gave them my case number and they told me that they don't even know when somebody is going to tell me something about it…

Come on Adobe - it can't be so difficult to figure out if you wanted these preview options to disappear or not!

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22. Brett N,

Sep 5, 2012 8:49 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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This is a "feature" and not a "bug" in the sense that this was done on purpose. It was done mainly to fix a bug where Photoshop EPS files gave NO preview in Illustrator. The fix made the non-TIFF preview options more difficult (details have already been given in previous responses on why this would be).

I don't think it's impossible for us to engineer a solution back into Photoshop, so you'll want to make your feature request at http://feedback.photoshop.com

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23. Eric Peters,

Sep 5, 2012 9:02 AM in reply to Brett N

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Hi Brett!

Thanks for your answer.
If I got it right, we will have to live with the given preview options for now, until Adobe decides, if it would be possible to engineer an other solution. Given that I make a feature request, of course.
Hm. That's not the answer that I wished for, but at least it makes things clearer.

Best regards,

Eric

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24. Howard Freeborn,

Nov 6, 2012 6:08 AM in reply to Eric Peters

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This has been an issue since CS5. Even though there was the option in CS5 to save with a Macintosh (JPEG) preview within the EPS file it did not work and when that option was chosen Quark still claims there is no Preview attached when brought in, essentialy saving as binary w/jpeg previews did not show the preview in Quark when saved in CS5.

The problem with TIFF is that it produces a misleading high-colour preview, which is not useful in page layout. The JPEG preview is (or was, when it worked) a much more representative image. TIFF and JPEG previews have always differed in how the appear on screen. If they didn't there wouldn't really be any reason for having both. Photoshop CS4 saves a JPEG preview within the EPS file and works perfectly. There are arguements over Eps vs other file formats but EPS is not a lossy format and there are work flows that prefere them and clipping paths etc...

I think one has to accept that there is no longer any support for that.

See this discussion and it clearly shows there was an issue and that there was no bug fix for CS5 on this and it has continued into CS6. A staff member said it was a fault/bug.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/3169457

I have gone back to CS4.

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25. Chris Cox,

Nov 6, 2012 3:42 PM in reply to Howard Freeborn

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The only bug mentioned was not removing all the PICT options when we removed PICT support (because MacOS no longer supports PICT).

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