Adobe Community: Mac Pro performance issue

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1. lasvideo,

Aug 28, 2012 7:31 AM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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If you had a fast raid array for your media, that would help. And having your PrP and AE caches on a seperate hardisk from your Windows / Apps would also help. And export to yet another disk would as well. An Nvivia GPU supporting CUDA couldnt hurt.

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2. Wizard Waitley,

Aug 28, 2012 7:37 AM in reply to lasvideo

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Thanks for the response, I did install an SSD for the OS and an additional SSD for the scratch disk which Im also using for the Media Cache for both AE and PrP (is that a bad idea?). The weird thing is that when tested against mechanical drives, I dont seem to be seeing any performance improvements at all!

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3. lasvideo,

Aug 28, 2012 7:40 AM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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I think you will get the performance you are looking for from a multidisk raid solution. This is what I use .

http://www.dulcesystems.com/html/pro_dqg2.html

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4. Jim Simon,

Aug 28, 2012 8:30 AM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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Magic Bullet - curves, sharpening, saturation etc

That kills your render times. The only thing you can do to speed that up significantly is to stop using Magic Bullet.

A faster nVidia GPU might speed things up, but still not nearly as much as using native effects. MB Looks and Colorista are just very slow to render.

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5. Wizard Waitley,

Aug 28, 2012 8:47 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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Thanks for the advice... With my current GPU not being on the list of supported cards, will it be doing anything at all?

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6. Jeff Bellune,

Aug 28, 2012 9:34 AM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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[Moved to Hardware Forum]

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7. Bill Gehrke,

Aug 28, 2012 11:56 AM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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Wizard Waitley wrote:

Thanks for the advice... With my current GPU not being on the list of supported cards, will it be doing anything at all?

Your current GPU will work fine it is just not capable of speeding up your workflow.

And then the performance improvement depends on how much use you have of Adobe GPU accelerated effects and features. Also follow the link on that page to see what was added in CS5.5

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8. SimonHy,

Aug 28, 2012 6:42 PM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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What model Mac Pro is it?

A lot of the older Mac Pros don't support 6Gbps SSD Drives. They get capped at 3Gbps, which is possibly why you're not seeing better performance compared to mechanical drives. If you raid multiple drives together you can get faster i/o than 3Gbps.

An NVIDIA GPU certainly doesn't hurt. It doesn't speed up everything but handy for the things it does.

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9. lasvideo,

Aug 28, 2012 8:05 PM in reply to SimonHy

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I have a 2008 Mac Pro and on the Maxx Digital 8TB raid array I get about 650MB sec / 550MB sec. read / write speeds. Thats pretty darn fast.

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10. Wizard Waitley,

Aug 29, 2012 2:24 AM in reply to SimonHy

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Its 2010, I did check it was supported with OWC before I bought the blade. What really confused me was that I saw the obvious improvements in OSX (time it takes to boot, start programs etc) but not so much render times, export speed or general use in premiere.

Would you expect big speed improvements between CS5.5 and CS6?

Should I sell my 5870 and get a gtx285 or quadro 4000?

Thanks for all the advice.

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11. lasvideo,

Aug 29, 2012 6:51 AM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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Sorry, Im not familiar enough with the first 2 cards you mentioned to give you advice.

There have been lots of enhancements and fixes made in CS6 but I havent done any quantitative tests to measure the speed difference.

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12. ECBowen,

Aug 29, 2012 7:29 AM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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What does the CPU threading look like when rendering that project? Have you checked the project render without the Magic Bullet effects. I know many of them do not multithread well currently.

Eric

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13. Wizard Waitley,

Aug 29, 2012 8:16 AM in reply to lasvideo

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lasvideo wrote:

Sorry, Im not familiar enough with the first 2 cards you mentioned to give you advice.

There have been lots of enhancements and fixes made in CS6 but I havent done any quantitative tests to measure the speed difference.

Adobe list the 285 and the quadro 4000 as being supported in cs6 for mac. I just wonder whether I have any GPU support at all with my 5870 with it not being on that list.

The only other reason I ask regarding CS5.5 against CS6 is because everybody seemed to be raving about speed increases when it was released and I didnt really see anything too dramatic.

Cheers for clearing thinks up.

Did a test with the black magic disk speed test and I seem to get about 280 write, 620 read on the Accelsior.

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14. ECBowen,

Aug 29, 2012 8:39 AM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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According to this page http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2012/05/opencl-and-premiere -pro-cs6.html only those 2 cards are currently supported by the OpenCL MPE engine. That mean you would need to get an Nvidia card for that currently.

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15. Wizard Waitley,

Aug 29, 2012 8:42 AM in reply to ECBowen

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Hope thats legible!

This is a screen shot of activity monitor half way through rendering the project (as originally described). didnt really fluctuate from these results throughout.

This was the reason I posted in the first place, it just doesnt seem to be utilising all its resources.

Exchanged the Magic Bullet colour correction for native three way colour corrector, curves and colour balance and it rendered in 2.05. Nearly a minute and a half faster...

Seems to be Magic Bullet then like Jim said?

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16. ECBowen,

Aug 29, 2012 8:47 AM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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That is what the Hardware monitor is showing yes and similar to other reports regarding the Magic Bullet effects right now.

Eric

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17. Wizard Waitley,

Aug 29, 2012 9:04 AM in reply to ECBowen

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Thanks for that Eric, its a shame about Magic Bullet but at least now I know! You reckon this is something they could improve with an update?

Thanks again to all!

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18. Bill Gehrke,

Aug 29, 2012 9:27 AM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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Wizard Waitley wrote:

1. Would you expect big speed improvements between CS5.5 and CS6?

2. Should I sell my 5870 and get a gtx285 or quadro 4000?

Thanks for all the advice.

1. Do not expect speed improvements from CS6 it was all about new features.

2. That would help, but you will have to find a used GTX 285. I do not have the link but someplace on this forum there was a link to a individual that could modify the more recent GTX boards to make them Mac compatible. You probably could have a GTX 670 modified for less than the cost of a Quadro 4000

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19. ECBowen,

Aug 29, 2012 9:33 AM in reply to Wizard Waitley

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The threading could absolutely be improved for Magic Bullet with updates. Whether that will happen outside of a version change though is the question.

Eric

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