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Can't use my shure pg58 with audition cs6?

Aug 23, 2012 9:57 AM

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I started the trial today and I plugged my microphone into it and tried to record it says the sample rates of the audio input and output devices do not match. Audio can not be recorded until this is corrected. Use the appropriate operating system or audio device control panel to adjust the sample rates of the input and outpute devices to use the same settings. Ive tried to change the sample rates it doesn't help.

 
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    Aug 23, 2012 10:12 AM   in reply to Spencerburchett94

    In Audition, go into Preferences and Audio Hardware - that should give you the default settings for your project.

     

    How are you connecting your PG58 to Audition?  There should be an intermediate step between that Mic and your computer.  A breakout box, mixer, or just an adapter.  The PG58 is not a standalone USB microphone.

     
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    Aug 23, 2012 2:18 PM   in reply to Spencerburchett94

    It sounds like you're using Windows 7 (or Windows Vista) and Audition's default MME driver type.  Audition will not be able to record when Windows is configured with different sample rates for Playback and Recording.  This is not too difficult to fix however.

     

    1.  Oh no!  Audition can't record due to mismatched sample rates!
    Screen shot 2012-08-23 at 1.39.12 PM.png

     

    2.  Okay, let's do what it suggests and make sure our Recording (input) and Playback (output) sample rates match.  First, right-click on the speaker icon near the Windows clock in your system tray and choose "Recording Devices"

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    3. Select the input channel that you are attempting to use for recording.  Right-click on it and select "Properties."  (You can also just click it normally to select it and click the big button labeled Properties, but that didn't make for a compelling screenshot.)

    Screen shot 2012-08-23 at 1.39.43 PM.png

    4. Click the Advanced tab and select your desired Sample Rate from the list.  44,100 Hz or 48,000 Hz are the most common formats available.  If you're uncertain which you need, I'd recommend selecting 44,100.  In either case, click OK  a few times to close out of there and remember what you selected because...

    Screen shot 2012-08-23 at 1.39.55 PM.png

    5. You are now going to repeat steps 2-4 only this time select Playback Devices from the speaker icon menu.  Right-click on the preferred output channel and choose Properties, then Advanced and set the Sample Rate to match your Recording device.

    Screen shot 2012-08-23 at 1.40.16 PM.png

    6. Finally, click OK to save these settings and close these menus.  In Audition, select Edit > Preferences > Audio Hardware and set the Sample Rate option here to match.

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    You should now be able to record!

     
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    Aug 24, 2012 10:05 PM   in reply to Spencerburchett94

    I'm sorry, but the second question isn't as easy to fix as the set up Durin was able to help with.  The reality is that, if you want studio grade recordings you need studio grade gear and acoustics.  The problem you're having is likely a mixture of the poor quality of mic inputs in modern computers (they're designed more for Skype phone calls than serious recordings), the back ground noises present in your room (things like computer fans etc.) and the hollow, echoey quality most normal rooms have.

     

    That said, you may be able to improve things.

     

    First off, be aware that your mic is very directional.  It has the best pickup straight in front of it with almost no pickup behind it.  Use this feature by arranging your set up so obvious noise sources are directly behind the mic (in what's called the null) and that your voice is straight into the grill, not slightly off to one side.

     

    Second, use physics to your advantage.  Sound from a source diminishes rapidly with distance.  Every time you double the distance from a source, the amount of sound you get from it is quartered.  This means that moving farther from noise sources like your computer (and using the aiming trick in point one) can have a dramatic effect on quality.

     

    Third, tweak the acoustics of your room.  When recording, stand in front of something soft--some thick curtains behind you can help, or, if this isn't possible, hang a quilt or something behind you.  Putting something behind you helps because of the directionality of the mic--most of the noise it picks up is behind you so something that absorbs sound helps.

     

    Finally, the electronic noise caused by using the built in sound card.  Audition has some of the best noise reduction in the business.  Look under Effects/Noise Reduction/Restoration.  I'll leave you to read the instructions in the online manual rather than try to go into detail but, basically, you need to capture a noise print (highlight a section of the pure noise between phrases in your recording) then let Audition use that to work out what to cancel.  FYI, I find it get the best results by running the noise reduction several times with the slider set to low reduction and a new noise print each time  rather than one big process.

     

    However, while all of the above should help, don't expect miracles.  If a professional studio could get greats results with a PG58 and a Realtek sound card, they wouldn't spend millions on gear and acoustics!

     

    Good luck!

     
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    Aug 25, 2012 7:33 AM   in reply to Bob Howes

    PG58s are fairly low output dynamic mics. Therefore they require a much better mic amp than any onboard soundcard can provide. Hence all the background noise. Get yourself a better audio interface that can be connected by USB with a reasonable built in mic preamp. It nedn't cost much more than the mic did and will give you much better results.

     
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    Aug 25, 2012 8:32 AM   in reply to Bob Howes

    Bob Howes wrote:

     

    If a professional studio could get greats results with a PG58...

    Sometimes they use this type of mic for the edge of guitar amp speaker cones, but that's about all. And even then that would be the SM58, not the PG58 with its non-professional switch on it!

     

    But like everybody else says - if you want to record speech, you need a mic designed to do the job, and a suitable sound device to interface it with your computer. The mic you have is primarily designed, as far as I can make out, for Karaoke singers.

     

    Really, if you are on a budget you'd be better off looking for a cheap back-electret condensor mic for this sort of thing. Something like a Behringer B-1. I'd avoid the C-1, as it's not really quite what it's cracked up to be. The other thing to avoid if you can is mics with a direct USB connection - these are harder to get to work, and considerably restrict your placement to the length of a USB cable. Oh, and get a decent stand for it too, and a pop shield. At that point, if you do the rest of what Bob says, you'll hopefully end up with an acceptable result.

     
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    Aug 31, 2012 11:07 AM   in reply to SteveG(AudioMasters)

    I think you're thinking of the SM57, which is the industry standard for miking guitar cabs, both in the studio and live. The SM58, while shares the same diaphragm, is quite a popular "go-to" vocal mic for live performance. The PG58 is a lower cost version, primarily designed for live performance. If you're looking to record vocals on your computer with any sort of respectable quality you're going to need to invest in some outboard gear. A small 2 channel USB (or wireless) interface with a built in preamp (with phantom power) while greatly improve the quality of your recordings. As previously mentioned, the mic inputs on most computers aren't designed to handle anything beyond the lowest grade of microphones and you'll need a decent preamp to amplify the signal going from your microphone to your computer.

     

    For recording vocals nothing beats a large diaphragm condensor microphone (Okay, maybe a ribbon mic, but that's another story for another day) .If you're on a tight budget for microphones once you've purchased a suitable interface look into the Studio Projects line of microphones. The B1 is a fantastic value and I have used mine on several recordings (One of them being an EP that was released by Sony). They can be fragile, but they have a mostly-flat frequency response, and very low noise.

     

    If you're just starting out recording please search the web for recording forums. There is a wealth of free information out there that'll help you get the most out of your recordings.

     
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    Aug 31, 2012 12:45 PM   in reply to Woody_Labs

    Woody_Labs wrote:

     

    I think you're thinking of the SM57, which is the industry standard for miking guitar cabs, both in the studio and live. The SM58, while shares the same diaphragm, is quite a popular "go-to" vocal mic for live performance.

    If you look, I only said type of mic - and quite frankly there isn't a whole load of difference between SM57s and 58s on guitar cabs, whatever anybody claims.

     
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    Aug 31, 2012 1:00 PM   in reply to SteveG(AudioMasters)

    Right, type of mic, with the PG58 being classified as a vocal mic, and the pg57 being classified as an instrument mic. Just clarifying any confusion the OP may have had. I agree with you about the sound part though, even though the spec sheets for the 57/58 aren't the same, they certainly sound the same in front of a blaring greenback loaded cab.

     
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