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Printing booklets

Jun 19, 2012 5:01 AM

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1. Nancy Bockbrader,

Jun 19, 2012 5:01 AM in reply to Community Help

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After reading the information about Creep and Understanding Creep, I still do not understand how to calculate it.
Could you please provide more examples?

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2. Peter Spier,

Jun 19, 2012 6:15 AM in reply to Nancy Bockbrader

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Creep is based on the thickness of the paper stock. In theory, I think, the creep increment winds up being equal to two times the paper thickeness, but I've never had occassion to need to do the calculations or specify a creep value myself, and unless you are doing the imposition of a job that you are printing yourself there is no reason you'd need to do it, either.

From a practical standpoint, unless you are using very thick stock, or you are making signatures with more than 4 sheets, you probably don't need to bother with creep unless your outer margins are really small.

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3. Nancy Bockbrader,

Jun 19, 2012 12:54 PM in reply to Peter Spier

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Thank you.
NB

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4. Quite CJ,

Jun 26, 2012 2:07 PM in reply to Nancy Bockbrader

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As Peter says if you don't have to, don't. However, if you have a page count large enough where you need Creep...

Note: There is no one size-fits-all recipe for Creep, but this is a good rule to follow and is how many shops do it.
For a 72 page signature you would have 18 sheets (that's 72 divided by 4 =18). So the amount of creep would be
18 x thickness of the sheet (or paper if you like).

cheers,
Charles

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5. Nancy Bockbrader,

Jun 26, 2012 3:13 PM in reply to Quite CJ

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Thanks!!!!

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6. Quite CJ,

Jun 26, 2012 3:16 PM in reply to Nancy Bockbrader

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Your Welcome.

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7. nattwell,

Jun 30, 2012 12:56 PM in reply to Community Help

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When attempting to print a booklet and save it as a PDF, I select "Adobe PDF" as the printer, and I get a "Save As" dialogue box to save the PDF, but then I get the warning "The Save as PDF option in the printer dialogue is not supported." I really need to save booklets as PDFs: any suggestions? Thanks!

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8. Peter Spier,

Jul 1, 2012 8:49 AM in reply to nattwell

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Sounds like you are on Mac OS. See InDesignSecrets » Blog Archive » Acrobat’s Adobe PDF Printer Replaced in Snow Leopard

You can either print your booklet to postscript and distill, or you can use a script to impose the file and export to PDF, or you can export an unimposed PDF and use a tool like Quite Imposing to make your booklet.

My favorite ID imposing scripts are by Dave Saunders: http://pdsassoc.com/downloads/Buildbooklet.zip which is suitable for simple documents with no cross-spine content other than on the center spread, and Dave's CS3 Booklet Script which is better at handing pages with content that crosses the gutter.

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9. nattwell,

Jul 1, 2012 1:02 PM in reply to Peter Spier

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Thanks, Peter. I've used Dave Saunder's booklet script for years on CS3, but I didn't think it would work in CS6 (I've just made the leap from CS3 to CS6).
Nikki

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10. Peter Spier,

Jul 1, 2012 1:55 PM in reply to nattwell

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I don't know if it will run "as is" but iof not it should run in a subfolder named "Version 5.0 Scripts" without the quotes.

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11. BeaverNation18,

Aug 23, 2012 9:14 AM in reply to Community Help

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I am having so much trouble. I have created the booklet I want, it's 16 pages (32 spreads). But I cannot figure out how to get this this to print properly. The example above only have up to 8 pages so I have no idea where to put these pages so they print correctly. Can someone please help me.

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12. Nancy Bockbrader,

Aug 23, 2012 9:18 AM in reply to BeaverNation18

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I'll try to help, but I need some information. You say it's 16 pages. Wouldn't that be 8 spreads?
NB

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13. BeaverNation18,

Aug 23, 2012 9:26 AM in reply to Nancy Bockbrader

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Ok it's 16 spreads, 32 pages, sorry. I know I put the back page with the cover to make that spread but after that I am totally lost how to line up these pages so they print correctly.

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14. Larry G. Schneider,

Aug 23, 2012 10:22 AM in reply to BeaverNation18

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The total of adding the page numbers for each spread should be 33, i.e. page 32(L) and page 1(R) on the first spread, page 2(L) and 31(R) on spread 2, page 30(L) and page 3(R) on spread 3, page 4(L) and page 29(R) on spread 4, etc. (See the pattern?).

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15. BeaverNation18,

Aug 23, 2012 10:25 AM in reply to Larry G. Schneider

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Yes thank you very much for your help Larry. It was driving me crazy, espeically since the "page" numbers would change when I moved them (i.e. when I moved 32 next to 1, that became 1 and 1 became 2" so it was hard to keep things straight.

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16. Larry G. Schneider,

Aug 23, 2012 10:28 AM in reply to BeaverNation18

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What you may want to do is Export a PDF of your original file, break it into individual files in Acrobat and use those to reimpose a new file in the correct order for printing.

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17. Peter Spier,

Aug 23, 2012 12:37 PM in reply to BeaverNation18

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BeaverNation18 wrote:

I know I put the back page with the cover to make that spread
No. Don't do that. Print Booklet will move the last page next to the first page when it runs. Your file should be in consecutive order, first and last pages by themselves, before running print booklet.

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18. Quite CJ,

Aug 23, 2012 1:02 PM in reply to Peter Spier

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Since you aren't using Creep you can Create a PDF Booklet in a few clicks.
Here is page from our Getting Started Tech sheet in Quite Imposing Plus.

And here is a temporary number so you can try it for free.
http://boffin.quite.com/general/demo.htm
Expires end 9/2012 Serial 6194-6027-3422-4682 Code 6893

cheers,
Charles
help@quite.com

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19. walton7,

Aug 31, 2012 3:31 PM in reply to Quite CJ

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Can you move the pages manually for an imposition and have the page numbers stay, not change as you move them. I do not want to have to create a PDF first. Does this mean I need to do my page numbers manually? Thanks

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20. Peter Spier,

Aug 31, 2012 4:00 PM in reply to walton7

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the scripts I linked in Post 8 will shuffle pages for imposition without creating a PDF first, and the numbering will not change.

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21. stephen0218,

Sep 2, 2012 5:54 AM in reply to walton7

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If the scripts don't quite do what you want, please give the IDImposer plug-in for InDesign a try. I'm happy to help you if you run into any difficulties. http://idimposer.com

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22. Medbury,

Sep 17, 2012 9:51 PM in reply to Community Help

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I am using Indesign CS4 on a Mac and trying to use the print booklet feature to print, fold and staple via our office printer, which does everything apart from make the coffee - it's a Sharp machine. I just can't get it to staple. The document is set up A5 pages.

I can print, staple and fold an A4 document but not using print booklet feature.

Any ideas?

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23. stephen0218,

Sep 17, 2012 10:17 PM in reply to Medbury

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The Booklet SC script can take your A5 doc and create a new 'saddle stitch' A4 size InDesign document. Then just do a normal print from InDesign. http://sterlingcomputing.com/legacy-scripts.html

Let me know if you have any problems,
Stephen (author of Booklet SC)

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24. Peter Spier,

Sep 18, 2012 5:44 AM in reply to Medbury

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@ Medbury,

I don't know that this is the problem, but I suspect you need to enable the stapling in the driver. You first go from Print Booklet to the print setup to choose the printer and page size, etc, then go from that dialog into the printer driver settings to set up folding and stapling.

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25. greentreesky,

Sep 25, 2012 12:16 AM in reply to Community Help

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Hi I am using InDesign CS5.5 on Windows 7 64 bit and when I try to process a booklet I am getting a "downloading procset" message and InDesign freezes ... I can transfer the file to my laptop running windows 7 32 bit and it works straight off - can anyone offer any suggestions as to how to get it working on my 64 bit system

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26. Peter Spier,

Sep 25, 2012 3:14 AM in reply to greentreesky

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Have you tried trashing yor prefs? see Replace Your Preferences

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27. greentreesky,

Sep 25, 2012 5:37 AM in reply to Peter Spier

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Hi Peter thank you
I tried removing prefs files but no luck still getting same message and the freeze. So have restored my original prefs.

If you have ony other thoughts please let me know

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28. Peter Spier,

Sep 25, 2012 6:39 AM in reply to greentreesky

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The message actually sounds like a distiller message. Are you printing direct to a printer, or to PDF? Have you checked the printer driver?

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29. greentreesky,

Sep 25, 2012 4:50 PM in reply to Peter Spier

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I am printing to PDF.
If I export the file to PDF it processes perfectly - (but of course it is not imposed, which is what I need)
if I go through print booklet using Adobe PDF as the printer I get the "procset" message
if I go through print menu and use Adobe PDF as my printer I get same "procset" message

Is this indicating driver issue or Distiller issue and how to fix?

(BTW when I force close ID there is a window hiding underneath that would have allowed me to have named the output file - when this procset message comes up this never becomes available from ID.)

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30. Peter Spier,

Sep 25, 2012 5:04 PM in reply to greentreesky

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Have you checked the printer options in the driver settings (which will come up as Adobe PDF Properties) when you click the Setup button in the Print Settings dialog that opens from Print Booklet when you press the Print Settings button. It's possible there's a problem in these settings.

It may also help to reset the Acrobat prefs, but I'm not sure how that will affect Distiller, or if there's a separate set for Distiller that you can replace. They may be able to tell you in the Acrobat forum.

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31. Peter Spier,

Sep 25, 2012 5:38 PM in reply to greentreesky

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I've been thinking about this some more, and two more ooptions occur to me. The first would be to try a reinstall of Acrobat.

The second is more pragmatic and aimed at getting your document out. Export as PDF normally so you have a single file as single pages. Use Scott Zanelli's script (InDesignSecrets » Blog Archive » Zanelli Releases MultiPageImporter for Importing both PDF and INDD Files) to place that PDF into a new single file. Use Print booklet to impose and print to a new PDF, or use one of the imposition scripts to impose and then export a new PDF in Spreads, or give the IDImposer plugin a try: Overview | IDImposer

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32. greentreesky,

Sep 26, 2012 8:50 PM in reply to Peter Spier

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I checked all the PDF options and they look right; removed Acrobat prefs, could not find any info about deleting only Distiller... but no change any way; Did the reinstall of Acrobat ... sadly still an issue.

Found a 2008 post on another site suggesting to change the port to "print to file" rather than "Adobe PDF". I then choose PS file in printer settings create PS file and then drag and drop to distiller window (the old fashiond way) and it worked

In doing this I got a window saying I needed to turn off "rely on system forts only; do not use document fonts". And just for interst I reverted the port to Adobe PDF and tried making a booklet direct to PDF... it worked! no procset message!

Interestingly my laptop (the 32 bit system) does have "rely on system forts only; do not use document fonts" is checked and I do get the procset message??

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33. Peter Spier,

Sep 27, 2012 7:06 AM in reply to greentreesky

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I can't tell you why. If it goes bad again though, I'd delete the PDF printer before reinstalling Acrobat (I shold have thought of that earlier).

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34. Ruq,

Feb 6, 2013 11:49 AM in reply to Community Help

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Who can I automate the process of printing booklet.

I use a saved Print Preset named "A3 booklet"
I supply page range 1-16 then print as pdf using PDFCreater.
File Name as 01.pdf, then pages 17-32 as 02.pdf and so on.

I am aware that InDesign provides printBooklet() method through scripting, but I have no clues how to use it.

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35. anna.banana,

Apr 3, 2013 11:21 AM in reply to Community Help

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I get everything to work except when I set up creep there is a blank white space between the pages and it looks terrible when I bind it saddle stitch. Does anyone know how I can get rid of this without having to set up the creep manually???

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