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Epiphan screen record imported to PP CS5 problems

Sep 6, 2012 9:59 AM

Hello,

 

I am using the Epiphan VGA2PCI-e internal screen recorder to record an external device. External device is running at 60Hz and the recorder is too. I am getting a very smooth .avi clip. I used the compressor that they recommended "Epiphan recommends using ffvfw MPEG-4 Codec for signal capture."

 

When imported into PP CS5 and increase the scale I get this:blurry import.png

 

Basically it is blurry unlike the .avi played in WM player.

 

I setup the sequence like this:

 

Editing Mode: Desktop

Timebase: 60 fps

square pixel

Progressive scan

checked Maximum render quality

 

 

Is this a terrible compressor / codec to use?

Why does the .avi look great but terrible when imported?

 

Thanks in advance

 

 
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    Sep 6, 2012 10:16 AM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    Are there H264 capture options with that software?

     

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    Sep 6, 2012 2:30 PM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    The Sequence settings should not effect that since your in Desktop Mode with Square Pixel. Try selecting an AVCHD Sequence setting at 30P and see. Also if you have Hardware MPE on switch it to software MPE and see if that changes it. Delete the Preview files when it prompts you.

     

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    Sep 7, 2012 9:13 AM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    Create a New Sequence and select custom. Go down to preview and select Microsoft Uncompressed 422 8 bit. Then change the resolution to 1920 by 1080. One the sequence is created move one of those files over there and see what happens.


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    Sep 7, 2012 11:50 AM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    Try the MJpeg encoder and see if that is different. Also you may want to check under the first MPEG4 listing in Encoder and see if they list H264 there.

     

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    Sep 7, 2012 3:59 PM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    Then the issue is that application's file Writer. It must be adding data that is confusing the Premiere Decoding in the player. Export out of that application H264. Download this Application linked below and transcode that H264 over to Cineform. Import into Premiere and see if that works and the quality is better.

     

    http://gopro.com/3d-cineform-studio-software-download/

     

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    Sep 11, 2012 1:55 PM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    DUDE - you and I are having the EXACT same problem.  See my post: Capturing webcam as DVAVI type-2

     

    I'm using one of ephiphans VGA to USB devices too.  YES - every codec I've tried is crap in Premiere and After effects, even though it plays fine in Windows Media.  In After Effects, I got repeated, jerky frames etc.  And rendering it didn't help.  So, I re-encoded the whole thing in Media Encoder.  It played fine in AFX then, the problem is that it encodes at about a rate of 10hours/per hour of video.

     

    You don't have to use the Epiphan software to capture, as your computer sees the device as just an ordinary webcam.  It seemed like an easy thing:  just download the cedocida DV codec, load it in to any number of software titles and capture as DVAVI type 2.  As a 2nd choice, I'd take H.264, as long as it plays back smoothly in Premiere or AFX.  I've tried both (with DV codec just mentioned and the x264vfw codec).  Terrible results either way.  I've tried Virtual dub, Captureflux, Epiphan, Debut Video and GraphEditplus. Failure in every case.

     

    I'm suspicious that our problem may stem from the inconstant frame rates that the epiphan device spits out.  Debut video allows you to change the frame rate of the device.  It thought this would fix it - setting it at 29.97 or 30.  But it doesn't. The software crashes.  I also had high hopes for GraphEditPlus, as the software allows so much flexibility.  But so far, I have not figured out how to import the DVAVI type2 codec.  And I don't know how to force the frame rate in graphedit either, but I haven't looked in to this much. 

     

     

    Oh, and here's the Cedocida codec: http://www.free-codecs.com/download/cedocida_dv_codec.htm

     

    Epiphan can see it, but it can't encode to it because of the frame rate (gives an error message).  I haven't tried the Panasonic codec, but I've heard it's outdated and really buggy anyway.

     

    I still think our best bet is software that can force the frame rate somehow, whether with the DV codec or H.264

     

    I am working pretty much full-time trying to find a solution to this problem, as I need something ready to go by next Monday.  If you find a fix - PLEASE POST IT!!!

     
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    Sep 11, 2012 2:29 PM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    I have the basic one: VGAtoUSB, as most of what I'll be capture is powerpoint presentations . . .

     

    I think I'm done for the day.  . . .

     

    Tomorrow I'm going to work more with Debut Professional as a possible candidate, using H.264.  It's at least not crashing the software, and there are several controls that might be able to fix the frame rate issue. Although nothing's working yet.  I'm "changing" the device frame rate to 29.97fps.  The first time I ran it, I got an error message something to the effect of, "warning- record time differs from run time.  Use system clock for future recordings?"  I hit "yes".  I hoped that this would fix it.  It didn't.  AFX will import it just fine, but the whole file is about 1/4 of the length it should be, and plays back at high speed.  Importing the file into AME crashes it.

     

    There HAS to be a way to fix this!!!!  Help Adobe Community!

     
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    Sep 12, 2012 12:07 PM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    I'm sorry, I'm confused. What software are you getting?  "Go Pro"?  Or were you talking about Debut Professional?  The later can technically export as type2 DVAVI if the codec is installed.  But good luck doing it with this variable frame-rate source video. 

     

    I called Epiphan today to complain.  Didn't do much good.  I'm now looking at a seriously crappy "plan B".  Run the VGA into one of these boxes, then output S-Video to a A/D firewire converter box and capture firewire.  I don't care about high resolution since most of what I need to grab is powerpoint.  800x600 should be OK.  But it's definitely less than ideal, compared to the way I thought I was going to be able to do this.

     

    I still think I might be able to do this in Graphedit Plus, if I was better at stringing the filters together.  If you've never used it, it's VERY "manual".  There's very little user interface - no video screen.  You just take your source, add codecs, de-mux or mux filters, and then your file file containers.  If I could get a type2 DVAVI codec installed and a filter to force the frame rate, it might work . . .

     

    But then again, Debut Professional claims to be able to force the frame rate, but it's not working for me.

     

    One thought - you're using a higher-end ephiphan device than I am.  What frame rates are you getting (you can monitor them in the capture software if you enable this option in settings)  If you're getting above 24 or 30 consistently, you could set the epiphan software to max the frame rate at 24/30fps.  Have you tried that?

     
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    Sep 12, 2012 12:10 PM   in reply to LorinK2922

    CamStudio is great for recording your own screen.  But I've never tried to use it for capturing an external source, like a webcam or an epiphan device.  Is that possible?  Let me know how it turns out.

     
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    Sep 12, 2012 1:27 PM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    HA!  So even if you cap the frame rate with their software it still sucks?!?  That's funny.  They were trying to up-sell me this morning when I talked to them.  "We can't force the frame rate, but with a higher end device you can get the rate well above 30fps and then limit it to 30fps using the software"  Nice sell, jerks.

     

    So you're saying-  put epiphan full screen and then use camstudio to do a screen grab?  That's a really good idea.  I just tried it with the cedocida codec though with a few different settings and I'm getting the error message, "Camstudio could not record the AVI using the current compressor.  Use default compressor?"  Let me know if you figure out a way to make it work!

     
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    Sep 13, 2012 8:23 AM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    Yep.  One thing though, how long are you wanting to capture?  I need captures at 1hour+.  Camstudio cuts it off after 2GB.  So, compressed video could probably get a file that length.   But if it's lossless, it's probably going to crap out when it hits the limit.  Sorry to rain-on-parade, if that does. . . .

     
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    Sep 13, 2012 8:40 AM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    I think I'd rather just re-encode at 10hrs-per-hour of video rather than fool with 5 mintue chunks.

     

    For Monday, I'm leaning towards my solution of VGA-to-S-video box -> s-video to A/D firewire converter box -->  capture with firewire in, if it works.  A sloppy, antiquated solution, but I may have no other choice.

     
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    Sep 14, 2012 9:25 AM   in reply to Bucketheadd

    Yep, I'm getting 30fps, smooth video right off-the-bat.  No subsequent transcoding.  Glad your solution worked too.

     

    Want to buy a backup Epiphan VGAtoUSB for cheap?

     
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