Skip navigation
Currently Being Moderated

The Missing Clip Markers (not really, but they might as well be...) solutions? thoughts?

Sep 5, 2012 10:24 PM

Tags: #editing #sync #premiere_pro_cs6 #clip_markers

What fun! Adobe has a neat new way to put clip markers where I need them!!! (NOT!!!)

 

The old clip markers are a thing of the past...SO how do I work with this client? I made videos of his show in the NY Fringe Festival. Five shows, two casts. Instead of an orchestra or piano, he used a very carefully designed and recorded electronic track. OPPORTUNITY!!! I can take the videos I made with my AVCHD camera (top-line Sony consumer model), slightly alter my priority doing video for second (and third) performance with a cast (getting more close-ups of principals in one shoot, for instance, and in the one instance I had a third shoot anything I missed or could add), and if I line up the electronc track I have a near-perfect fake "two-camera shoot". The singers are singing in real time but the lip sync problems are surprisingly minimal, especially when using the audio from the close-priority video.

 

The problem: how to get the tracks lined up on a specific frame? The old method of applying clip markers from the timeline is GONE. Working with Adobe tech support I find that the NEW way is to add them by double-clicking the clip which brings them up in the Source Monitor. There, pressing "M" will add new markers all day. In fact, the markers are added at the clip level so that anywhere in the project that clip is present the marker shows up (mostly rather useless if not annoying or particularly debilitating). The old clip markers added at timeline level would only show up (with numbers attached - there are no numbers any more) in the timeline where the marker was added; since the lining up of clips is the main use of clip markers, that made a lot of sense...

 

SOOO...what's wrong? I have my work-around, right? WRONG! Try syncing the playheads between timeline and source...doesn't happen. Use "GANG source and program"...they move in tandem but they don't sync, so no go. One has to make a marker in the source monitor, note where it landed on the timeline, and grab it (in the source monitor, you can't move these markers on the timeline) and move it until it lands on the timeline playhead. Does anyone have a better way to sync up clips? I don't have timecode (might be possible with Adobe-suggested workflow...but I have SERIOUS issues with that...) so I need to mark and sync the clips. I feel something good was taken away. I'm sure the snatcher thinks he's done me a favor and given me a great new way to do this...what is it, pray tell?

 
Replies
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Sep 5, 2012 10:43 PM   in reply to ElJayBronx

    Perhaps I don't fully understand the problem, but it seems to me that you have an audio track that should allow you to sync all of the clips from one performance fairly easily in one sequence. Do that three times.

     

    Then use three sequences for a multicam edit.

     

    What am I missing? If the audio track is one long recording, you just match up the clip to the audio on the timeline and leave it there. No markers of any kind are required. Are they? You must have one long recording of audio, right? And if not, he should be able to provide you with one. No?

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Sep 6, 2012 5:53 AM   in reply to ElJayBronx

    Try syncing the playheads between timeline and source.

     

    When in the sequence, target the track the clip is on, then instead of double-clicking to open it in the Source Monitor, hit the F key.

     

     

    I feel something good was taken away.

     

    It was.  Please let them know.

     

    https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

     

     

    Finally, there is a keyboard shortcut to add clip markers while in the sequence, it's just not set by default.  But you can go into the keybaord shortcuts and search for Clip Marker commands and set one up yourself.

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Sep 6, 2012 7:01 AM   in reply to ElJayBronx

    The secret menu at "In 'n Out" is the best!

     

    Something about the look of your sequence bothers me. Wouldn't it be easier to have one completely uncut audio track as a reference point all the way through? Or is it down below where we can't see it?

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Sep 6, 2012 11:35 AM   in reply to ElJayBronx

    I did this once, on my first stage performance gig.

     

    Only once, though.  Faux-multicam is a HUGE pain.

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Sep 6, 2012 9:19 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    OK, I get it.

     

    So I guess you start by lining up all 30 MP3s on every track. It is reasonably easy, if time consuming, to do that. The problem then becomes where to make the cuts. Before the MP3, or after. Or both. My guess is both. 

    That means the real editing comes in between the songs.

     

    If you left a little extra room on the timeline before and after each song, it would probably be fairly easy to close it all up tight after you decided which video track to use at each point along the line.

     

    I can see why you want to use the markers, I am still not sure if it is really necessary.

     

    All I can say is "good luck to you". Lots of work. I hope it is a labor of love, or money, and not obligation.

     
    |
    Mark as:

More Like This

  • Retrieving data ...

Bookmarked By (0)

Answers + Points = Status

  • 10 points awarded for Correct Answers
  • 5 points awarded for Helpful Answers
  • 10,000+ points
  • 1,001-10,000 points
  • 501-1,000 points
  • 5-500 points