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Sep 14, 2012 10:17 AM

What is best format to save for high resolution on the web using CS5? For my website [.. removed personal advertising ..] and for my FB page especially [.. removed personal advertising ..] I want to create higher resolution .jpgs (or .png?).

 

I have been saving .jpgs in highest resolution. Should I consider saving to .png?

 

My typical .psd file is 3456 px wide X 5184 px high, resolution 240/bicubic  with all 3 boxes checked (Scale styles; Constrain proportions; Resample image). Should I be using different settings in creating my .psd files from .CR2?

 


 
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    Sep 14, 2012 11:06 AM   in reply to cma cma

    And what specifically are you asking? What do you mean by "high resolution"? Resolution doesn't matter on the web, only absolute pixel dimensions, so I'm not sure what you are asking...

     

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    Sep 14, 2012 11:51 AM   in reply to cma cma

    As Mylenium indicated, it's not clear what you mean by "higher resolution". Some people use resolution to mean pixel density (which is irrelevant to Web images), others mean the count of pixels in width and height (which is relevant to Web images). Yet other people may mean a perceived "higher quality", such as improved clarity or sharpness or a reduction in compression artefacts.

     

    I think you mean "higher quality".

     

     

    You've said that your PSDs are typically 3456 px wide X 5184 px high. For those of us who can't access your Facebook account, what size, measured in pixels, of images do you want to put on the Web?

     

    Can you post one or two examples of your Web images and a description of what you would like to be different?

     
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    Sep 14, 2012 12:38 PM   in reply to cma cma

    Mylenium and myself already have said that pixel density (ppi) is irrelevant on the Web. If you were sending images to a printer then the density would be relevant. So forget about the 240. Typically, Web images have a 72 ppi tag, but that's unimportant.

     

    The thing to consider for the Web is the height and width of an image, measured in pixels. For example, a 1920 x 1080 pixels display cannot show an image larger than 1920 x 1080 pixels without the image being resampled to a smaller scale or the image requiring scrolling or panning. There are now Retina displays with many more pixels than typical displays, of course.

     

    You may want to upload images which have more pixels than any monitor if viewers are to be able to examine regions of the image in high detail.

     

    Reducing the size of your original images to create Web images should be done with care. The "Bicubic Sharper" algorithm can produce artefacts which some people find objectionable. The standard "Bicubic" algorithm tends to require some sharpening by the Photoshop user. You should experiment with slightly sharpening an image before downsizing it as a compensation for blurring which will be introduced by the bicubic resampling. Some people prefer sharpening after the resampling, and others prefer both pre-sharpening and post-sharpening.

     
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    Sep 14, 2012 1:45 PM   in reply to cma cma

    What is the pixel count you want for online images? 

     

    Understand that unless you're trying to give people images they can print as big enlargements, you probably don't need more than 1 to 2 megapixels in a "high resolution" image for viewing online.  Storing web images in too large a size just means they'll take more resources to download and people won't want to look at them as much.

     

    Is this enough?  Too much?  It's 1400 x 1052 pixels (1.5 megapixels), about 800 kbytes.

     

    http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/ForumPosts/DecentPixelCountForScree nViewing.jpg

     

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    Sep 14, 2012 2:22 PM   in reply to cma cma

    The file size is affected by the compression algorithm employed in creating the file. There is a trade-off of image quality for size reduction. However, there is often no significant perceived difference between uncompressed or lossless compressed images and "high quality" or "very high quality" lossy compressed images, while there can be significant or huge file size differences.

     
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    Sep 14, 2012 2:42 PM   in reply to cma cma

    Your images of a given size can vary hugely in "quality". When down-scaling from the original, choice of resampling algorithm and appropriate sharpening make a difference. Choice of compression algorithm and level for the file make a difference.

     

    I use PNG for screenshots in the forum, but for publishing photos for viewing on the Web, I recommend JPEG with quality setting between "high" and "very high" for excellent results at a reasonably small file size.

     
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    Sep 14, 2012 3:06 PM   in reply to cma cma

    I don't know what FB's use of the term "high resolution" is, but when you talk of images of a given number of pixels having a 6-fold difference in file size then it's quite likely that the difference is due to differing quality/compression levels being specified when the files were created. Having said that, a given algorithm's compression level can compress different image contents of a given size to differing degrees. It would help greatly if you post example images to elucidate your questions.

     
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    Sep 14, 2012 2:56 PM   in reply to cma cma

    It's really as simple as this:

     

    Pick a target set of pixel dimensions you'd like to publish your images in.

     

    Process your files through Camera Raw and Photoshop, and downsample for publishing to the size you've chosen.

     

    Choose a JPEG compression amount when you save your images for publication that looks good enough to you on screen, and provides a reasonable amount of compression so as not to make people wait too long for the download.  I suggest starting with quality level 9 or 10 (I believe I used 10 on the image I provided a link for above).

     

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    Sep 14, 2012 6:11 PM   in reply to cma cma

    Downsampling is what you do when you reduce the pixel dimensions in the Image - Image Size dialog with the [  ] Resample checkbox checked.  I'm talking about processing the images at the resolution out of the camera (or even higher) for best appearance, then doing Image Size right at the end when you're ready to publish them.

     

    Yours are what I would call low to medium resolution.  585 x 400 pixels wouldn't give you a sharp full screen display even on a small monitor or tablet.

     

    If you have full control over the HTML in your own web page, some time back I prepared a web page that uses HTML to downsample images for normal display at 100%, so that they stand up to being zoomed-into - e.g., on an iPad, or by using the zoom function in a browser.  Where's that URL...   Ah, here:

     

    http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/temp/WebImage/Test.html

     

    That's just a graphic, but the larger of the two, which will stand up to being zoomed in to 200% (and display really nicely on a Retina display) is 1000 x 1188 pixels.  The <IMG> tag initially displays it at 50% of its true size.  With this technique the user downloads a bit more data but the image stands up to close scrutiny much better.

     

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    Sep 15, 2012 8:01 AM   in reply to cma cma

    cma cma wrote:

     

    ... if I were using jpgs of say 877 X 600 px, they would be larger on the screen than my current jpgs,  but would the larger jpgs be higher resolution?

     

     

    The resolution (pixels per inch) would be that of your monitor's screen and therefore the same for all displayed images.

     

     

    It seems to me that they would have to cover more screen space, so doing Image Size at 877 X 600 would result in the same apparent visual resolution (fineness of detail) as my current 585 X 400 px images. What am I missing?

     

    More pixels will contain finer detail, of course (unless you create the large image by upsampling the small image).

     

    buttoncrop.jpg  buttoncrop67.jpg

     
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    Sep 15, 2012 9:40 AM   in reply to cma cma

    cma cma wrote:

     

    I'm not concerned with zooming, since I don't foresee most of my clients doing that.

     

    You're clearly not well in touch with the trends in internet browsing.

     

    The amount of eCommerce conducted from tablets is already staggering.

     

    Whereas zooming on a browser on a desktop computer is arguably less common, it's absolutely expected that people are constantly using "pinch zoom" gestures on tablets to see things more clearly, and that's EXACTLY what they're going to do to look at your products more closely.  If they're pleasantly surprised to see more detail do you think they're more likely to buy vs. just seeing a big, blurry version of your image?

     

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    Sep 15, 2012 10:31 AM   in reply to cma cma

    Just to add:  One thing you can usually do is with the larger pixel count images save them at a higher level of compression (lower Quality setting) and the sizes won't be 4x the size of the smaller JPEGs.

     

    I have just updated the web page example I provided above to include an image as well as the graphic.  The much more detailed image is only about double the size as a JPEG file as the smaller one.  The Quality setting was 7 vs. 10.

     

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    Sep 15, 2012 12:25 PM   in reply to cma cma

    Not as much as you'd think.  See it for yourself on my example page.

     

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