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joe bloe premiere 4,391 posts
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Is let me google that for you condescending?

May 4, 2011 2:24 PM

 
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    May 4, 2011 3:29 PM   in reply to joe bloe premiere

    Depends on the context.  Is this the lmgtfy poster's first response to a query?  Does the lmgtfy  poster have a history of being snarky?  Has the lmgtfy  poster tried to help in other ways?  Has the OP been stubborn or difficult to deal with?  Has the OP been ungrateful, demanding or sarcastic?

     

    Context.

     

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    May 4, 2011 4:07 PM   in reply to joe bloe premiere

    I'd say it is, regardless of context.  It's another way of saying RTFM, or put another way "Do you own homework."  It's something you would only say to someone asking a question that they should be perfectly capable of finding the answer to on their own had they done even a modicum of research, but were simply too lazy to do so and they end up asking in a forum hoping someone else will do the work for them.

     

    What drives me mad is when responders actually do, instead of forcing them to Hunt down their own answers.

     
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    May 4, 2011 6:51 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    I think so.

     
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    May 5, 2011 5:56 AM   in reply to joe bloe premiere

    There are a lot of ways to respond that are snarky, acting superior, rude and just plain mean. We've seen most of them over the years from one poster or another. "Let me google" is not the worst, and could in some situations be helpful depending on the intent. There are other kinds of responses that are demeaning in any context. It's too bad that one of the most important rules of the forum is so often disregarded -- if you can't or don't want to help, just don't respond.

     
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    May 5, 2011 7:58 AM   in reply to Jerry.K

    It's too bad that one of the most important rules of the forum is so often disregarded -- if you can't or don't want to help, just don't respond

    +1!!!

     

    It's that sort of cynicism and condescension that keeps me from participating around here more often.

     

    ...which is not to imply that I have any actual useful advice.......just that I would visit more frequently if my eyes didn't roll out of my head at the predictable initial responses I almost always encounter from certain users here when anyone asks a RTFM type of question.

     

    ......which is not to imply that the OP questions are always very well thought out.....just that everybody has an idiot moment. Or two. And it's not the purpose of this forum to expose morons as they come through here, but rather to help solve the OP problem when possible.

     

    It's nice to teach a man to fish and all that, but sometimes we don't have time to learn to fish before we starve, and it's better that we hand the fishing nets over to a more experienced fisherman to help us get by for the day.

     

    Simply put, I'm more turned off by some of the truly knowlegeable people around here than I am by the idiotic requests and FAQs by the so-called newbies.

     
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    May 6, 2011 5:47 AM   in reply to Christian Jolly

    If a person asks a question that has a simple question that can be answered with a simple search, I'll sometimes answer with a search string, like so:

     

    Community Help search for 'CUDA new in CS5.5'

     

    My intent isn't to be snarky. It's to show someone that there's this really useful search engine, and to give an idea how it works.

     

    There's nothing wrong with pointing someone to where the good information is, or even with instructing them how to find it for themselves. The sin is in acting as if the person should've known about these resources and tools already. We're not all born with intrinsic knowledge of online resources and how to search and navigate them.

     

    I only use lmgtfy itself when I've answered the same person a gazillion times, and they clearly aren't trying to help themselves.

     
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    May 9, 2011 10:28 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

     

    Just too funny!

     

    Now, you wait until I am in Rome, but at least I got the laugh - albeit a bit late in the thread.

     

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    May 9, 2011 10:34 AM   in reply to joe bloe premiere

    Joe,

     

    I firmly believe that the capitalization WAS intentional here, and probably with good reason. I'll often do as Todd suggests, and give a link to the search criteria and results, just so that the OP has a "leg up" on the "answer."

     

    Sometimes that works, though not always. Not THAT long ago, I furnished the Google link to a request. There were maybe 100 hits, with the answers. A poster (not the OP in that thread) came back with "if you weren't so lazy, you would have read all the hits and would have posted just the ones that would have helped... " OK, so exactly how would I know which of those 100 would have been helpful to the OP?

     

    One can only do so much of the "heavy lifting," and at some point, a poster might actually have to read a bit. It's like the links and articles for a problem's solution. We can likely prioritize the "solutions," but much will depend on ALL of the possible variables, many of which, we might have the info to distill the answers.

     

    No, I think that Jim was correct in the capitalization in this case - at least I think so.

     

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    May 12, 2011 9:05 AM   in reply to joe bloe premiere

    Joe,

     

    I think that it's a "sometimes... "

     

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    May 16, 2011 10:14 AM   in reply to joe bloe premiere

    I agree that the "just rotate the monitor" reply was a funny one, and was appreciated by me, as I needed a laugh that day.

     

    Also, it was most likely that someone would have the details to actually help the OP, so nothing lost, and a laugh was gained in the process. Also, the response was not incorrect, as it WOULD "set things straight." [Sorry, could not resist.]

     

    Along the initial lines of this subject, there are often times, when an OP comes up with a problem. In the process, a user will gather several existing threads, that seem similar, or at least the same keywords, though perhaps not the exact solution that the OP desires. I'd like to see the OP's say "thank you, but none of those were my exact issue," instead of the oft repeated reply, "why did you waste my time with those links? Nothing in any of them worked for me." [Just a little personal comment on the responsibility of the OP's to follow the links, read, and then interpolate the data, that might, or might not prove germane to their particular problem. At least someone tried... ]

     

    OK, back to our regularly scheduled program, already in progress.

     

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    Sep 19, 2012 4:10 AM   in reply to joe bloe premiere

    Yes I think it is. It's a useful service let down by a condescending attitude.

     

    How about instance where I might want to send a similar link to someone without coming across like a jerk?

     

    Imagine I just want to send a link to a friend to a set of google search results - but as opposed to a link straight into the results, I GENTLY! want to show them how I would have got there myself.... LMGTFY would be a useful tool - if it didn't berate you at the end..

     
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    Sep 19, 2012 8:12 AM   in reply to Sehgal1976

    Oh well, since the previous post woke up this long sleeping thread ...

     

    I do that all the time. I just don't say it that way.

     

    I generally just say "Give me a moment to look that up". Or, "hmmm, if memory serves, which it doesn't, oh well, give me a moment."

     

    Although a lot of the people I know would just respond to LMGTFY with, "Oh great! Thanks!"

     
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    Sep 19, 2012 8:51 AM   in reply to Steven L. Gotz

    I have to agree with Steven... the words you use will influence the response

     

    I have a file of Adobe notes to be able to post links to previous discussions when someone asks a question, and I think the previous discussion may help

     

    I also, rarely, go to Google and then post the search link (this will be for a product where I can't find a previous forum discussion... such as a new camera)

     

    I will generally post my reply by writing something like "see if this previous discussion or search link will help"

     

    The exact choice of words aside, my feeling is that whatever works to help someone is good... but deliberate put downs are not good (and, the Moderators have recently posted notices to that effect)

     
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    Sep 19, 2012 3:59 PM   in reply to Steven L. Gotz

    About the only time that I get snarky, is when the answers have already been given, but the OP won't even read the linked files, etc., and keep on arguing that the info does not exist. Then, I bring out the "Here, let me Google that for you," and then supply the Search URL, with all of the hits showing.

     

    It's the same as when one furnishes an Adobe KB Article, and the OP does not want to bother to follow the link and read. Then, with a snarky reply, I will Copy the pertinent material FROM that article, and post that.

     

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    Sep 22, 2012 6:42 PM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    I will Copy the pertinent material FROM that article, and post that.

     

    "Here, let me give you a fish.  You will eat for today, at least."  (However, tomorrow you're %$#@ed.)

     
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    Sep 21, 2012 8:47 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim,

     

    You gotta' get that S key fixed...

     

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    Sep 21, 2012 10:35 AM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    Or get F key fixed...

     

    ie. Feast

    or else

    Eat

     

    ?????

     

     
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