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Column Breaks and Keep options in CS6

Sep 21, 2012 9:04 AM

I have a document with a text box divided into 2 columns. I have my basic paragraph style set with keep options to keep the first 2 and last 2 lines of a paragraph together. I have some cases, but not all, when the last 2 lines of a paragraph are pushed to the top of the next column, yet the column they are coming from has empty space for 2 or more lines of text. Why is this doing this? And how can I stop it? I'm useing CS6.

1312 Views   9 Replies   Latest reply: Peter Spier, Sep 21, 2012 11:11 AM
 
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  • Peter Spier
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    1. Peter Spier,
    Sep 21, 2012 9:19 AM   in reply to brdesign
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    Can you show us a screen capture, please?

     
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    2. brdesign,
    Sep 21, 2012 9:30 AM   in reply to brdesign
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    Screen shot 2012-09-21 at 12.23.13 PM.png

    Note on the bottom of the 2nd column there is empty space. The last 2 lines of the paragraph, which could fit there are on the top of the next page. Yet on the bottom of the the second page the paragraph is fine although its last two lines are on the top of the next column. There are 2 paragraph styles here for paragraphs: one for  basic paragraphs and one for the first prargraph in a section. They are exactly the same except the first paragraph doesn't have an indent.

     
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    3. Peter Spier,
    Sep 21, 2012 9:38 AM   in reply to brdesign
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    Is there a Keep With Next or Keep With Previous option applied?

     
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    4. Laubender,
    Sep 21, 2012 9:41 AM   in reply to brdesign
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    @brdesign – what does happen, if you expand the height of the text frame on the left side a tiny bit?


    Or: could it be, that another "invisible" object forces to wrap the text in column two?

     

    Uwe

     
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    5. brdesign,
    Sep 21, 2012 10:48 AM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    Screen shot 2012-09-21 at 1.47.11 PM.png

     

     


    Both the baisc paragraph and the first paragraph styles have their Keep Options set as in the screenshot.

     
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    6. brdesign,
    Sep 21, 2012 10:51 AM   in reply to Laubender
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    If I remove the paragraph break after those 2 lines at the top of the 2nd page, combining those paragraphs to make a longer one, then the text behaves fine. So I don't think there is anything the text is wrapping around.

     
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    7. Peter Spier,
    Sep 21, 2012 10:57 AM   in reply to brdesign
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    It's the keep with next 2 lines option. That guarantees that no column will start with the first line of a new paragraph.

     

    What's happening is you have a 4-line paragraph set to keep the first two and last two lines together, AND to keep the last line with the next two lines of the following paragraph. ID has no choice here but to break that 4-line paragraph between lines 3 & 3 without violating your rules.

     
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    8. brdesign,
    Sep 21, 2012 11:05 AM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    That was it.

     

    I guess I thought I didn't have that option selected, because I thought the check box by "Keep with Previous" was what activated the first 2 keep options. I think the box around the "Keep lines together" made it seem the things above the box were connected to each other.

     

    Anyway. Thank you!

     
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    9. Peter Spier,
    Sep 21, 2012 11:11 AM   in reply to brdesign
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    Keep with next is an appropriate option for the heading to keep it from being orphaned at the bottom of a column, and would be appropriate for things like drectory listings where you want all the information for one person to remain together, but not so much in running body text.

     

    Keep with Previous is relatively new, and makes it possible to build your keeps from the bottom up instead of the top down, which can be really usefult in some circumstances. It basically does the same thing as keep with next, but instead it makes sure the first line of a paragraph stays with specified number of lines from the paragraph before.

     
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