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Blend Mode Selection in Photoshop minor difference between platforms

Sep 21, 2012 3:17 PM

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Guys you REALLY need to do something about this asap. I don't know if it's a mac/pc problem or if it's a CS6 problem. I have been working with photoshop on PC for the past 9 years or so. I recently had to switch to CS6 on Mac.

 

I can no longer place my cursor in the blend modes field and use arrow keys to quickly toggle through them to find the ideal mode. I used to be able to preview 15 blend modes in just 5-6 seconds and land on the ideal mode... and get on with my project. NOW i have to click this button and click again on each blend mode... lengthening my process by up to 2 minutes. This is an ENORMOUS problem for me as choosing blend modes is critical in my day to day design work.

 

See the menu right next to it where you can type in the opacity? I can put my cursor in there and use arrow keys to adjust values. Blend mode NEEDS to work this way too. And this is on a mac. You simply HAVE to do something here. productivity impacted severely.

 

Also.. this problem exists in After Effects CS5 on pc. Let's get it fixed there too. I will hand-write you a letter of praise and send flowers if you can do this.

 
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    Sep 21, 2012 2:25 PM   in reply to SeventhSwami

    Moved to Photoshop forum.

     
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    Sep 21, 2012 2:54 PM   in reply to SeventhSwami

    Just a tip... For the blend modes in the Options bar and Layers panel, you can press Shift and + to advance to the next blend mode, or Shift and - to go back one blend mode. These shortcuts also apply the mode so you can instantly compare the visual changes with each keypress.

     

    This is actually faster than the arrow key method, because it lets you skip the step of grabbing the mouse and positioning the cursor at the blend modes menu. You just go straight to the keys. Also, it can help to learn the shortcuts for each blend mode; for example, it's handy to quickly reset to Normal by pressing Shift+Option+n.

     
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    Sep 21, 2012 2:47 PM   in reply to SeventhSwami

    SeventhSwami wrote:

     

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    Guys you REALLY need to do something about this asap. I don't know if it's a mac/pc problem or if it's a CS6 problem ... I can no longer place my cursor in the blend modes field and use arrow keys to quickly toggle through them to find the ideal mode.

     

    The arrows keys navigation works here with CS6 on OS X 10.6.8.

     
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    Sep 21, 2012 3:25 PM   in reply to Conrad Chavez

    Note that if you're on a tool with blend modes, shift+ will cycle the tool blend modes instead of the layer palette.

    Change to the move tool or something without it's own blend modes.

     
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    Sep 21, 2012 7:32 PM   in reply to conroy

    conroy wrote:

     

     

    The arrows keys navigation works here with CS6 on OS X 10.6.8.

     

    It's like you're invisible, conroy.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:11 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel Carboni wrote:

     

    It's like you're invisible, conroy.

     

     

    That could be because some readers are blinded by the white background and shiny badge of MVP and Staff posts.

     

    If not, then it's strange that nobody is interested in working out why the OP has the problem or how to restore correct behaviour to his/her installation.

     
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:36 AM   in reply to conroy

    conroy wrote:

     

    That could be because some readers are blinded by the white background and shiny badge of MVP and Staff posts.

     

    If not, then it's strange that nobody is interested in working out why the OP has the problem or how to restore correct behaviour to his/her installation.

     
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:39 AM   in reply to Sudarshan Thiagarajan

    I see you're wearing shades, Sudarshan.

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Sep 22, 2012 7:06 AM   in reply to conroy

    conroy wrote:

    it's strange that nobody is interested in working out why the OP has the problem

     

    My thoughts exactly, on two different levels.  SeventhSwami and this problem, and people reporting problems in general.

     

    I suspect I'm not the only one thinking there needs to be a LOT more bug fixing and cleanup before anyone even THINKS about starting work on 13.5 or 14.0 or whatever's next.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Sep 22, 2012 7:33 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Unfortunately, Adobe Photoshop management clearly assigns extremely low priority to software testing. Wait... maybe documentation is lowest.

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Sep 22, 2012 8:59 AM   in reply to conroy

    You can't test quality in.  It has to be designed in and implemented in the code.  With a product that's been through 13 major version releases, the code can get out of hand and needs to be revisited.  That seems to be what Adobe is completely allergic to doing.

     

    To me it seems that they need to employ more smart engineers if they want to continue development while tidying up the product that's obviously keeping the lights on in the company long-term...

     

    -Noel

     
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    Sep 22, 2012 12:04 PM   in reply to conroy

    conroy wrote:

    Noel Carboni wrote:

     

    It's like you're invisible, conroy.

     

     

    That could be because some readers are blinded by the white background and shiny badge of MVP and Staff posts.

     

    If not, then it's strange that nobody is interested in working out why the OP has the problem or how to restore correct behaviour to his/her installation.

    I can tell you the rationale behind my post, if it helps. The original poster's real goal was to "...preview 15 blend modes in just 5-6 seconds and land on the ideal mode... and get on with my project."

     

    On my Mac, I can certainly click in the menu and use the arrow key to go up and down, as conroy said. But what that does not do is apply the blend mode, unless I also press Return. But pressing Return kicks you out of the menu so you have to start the click/arrow/Enter cycle again, which is a long way just to try the next blend mode. So while the superficial reading of the problem says "I can arrow key through the menu, problem solved," it doesn't solve the real goal of "preview 15 blend modes in just 5-6 seconds."

     

    But Shift+ can, because it saves so many steps over click/arrow/Enter (and because the native OS X pop-up can't do any better). So Shift+ was a more appropriate solution, and the original poster already said it solves their problem.

     

    If you read the original post, I think what is really going on is a Windows/Mac switcher issue, not an unfixed bug. Windows and Mac pop-up menus work very differently. In Windows, you can enter text into a drop-down list directly and up/down arrow through the list without the menu actually popping up. (For a Mac example, see the Type tool Font and Size menus in the Options bar in Photoshop, which I assume are custom-coded. Compare to the Font and Size menus in Apple Pages or Keynote.) He switches to Mac Photoshop, and Blend Modes menu doesn't work that way. It might never work that way, because native Mac pop-up menus are much more mouse-oriented.

     

    Now, if there is a verifiable bug in the menu, Adobe should fix it. You might want to make sure it's listed at the Photoshop Feedback site, and add it if it isn't there.

    http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family

     
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    Sep 22, 2012 12:21 PM   in reply to Conrad Chavez

    Conrad, thanks for posting that thorough explanation.

     
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    Sep 27, 2012 4:14 PM   in reply to SeventhSwami

    SeventhSwami wrote:

     

    how can i get the same kind of control in the layer styles window?

    I don't think you will, unfortunately. I think the Shift+/- shortcut applies only to the Layers panel and the Options bar.

     

    It all goes back to the basic difference between pop-up menus in OS X vs drop-down lists in Windows. Mac pop-up menus don't support using the arrow keys to apply next/previous menu items like Windows does, and it's not clear if Apple ever will change that. Because this is system-wide OS X behavior for that type of menu, it isn't an Adobe bug to fix since Photoshop is apparently following the guidelines for the operating system.

     

    While it's technically not a bug from an OS point of view, we know Adobe is open to modifying that, so you can certainly make a feature request: You can ask Adobe to implement their custom Shift+/- blend mode shortcut wherever a blend mode pop-up menu exists, or ask Adobe to implement their custom menu that does allow using the up/down arrow key to apply other menu commands, like they do for Font and Size. Of course, they'll prioritize that alongside everything else that's being requested or fixed, so no guarantees on how soon it would happen.

     

    In the meantime, the only workaround I can suggest is this: In the Layer Style dialog box, select a blend mode from the Blend Mode pop-up menu but do not move the mouse. To try the next blend mode, click the mouse (which should still be over the pop-up menu), press the down arrow key, and press the Return key. It isn't elegant, but it's the best I can think of.

     
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    Jan 17, 2013 6:40 PM   in reply to Chris Cox

    This is a nice workaround but I really need the original functionality restored as I have limited use of my right arm I rely on keeping it positioned on the mouse as much as possible. We have enjoyed this small luxury since at least ver 3 (not CS3).  This has forced me off my Mac Pro and back to Windows on CS 5.5 because it is that big of a a hinderance for me in my current capacity.

     

    THANK YOU ADOBE FOR FIXING THIS IN VERSION 13.0.4 (OSX).

     

     

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