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Uneven Font Display

Sep 25, 2012 1:28 PM

I just moved from an older Macbook Pro to a new one, and I just installed ID 5.5 (and Acrobat X) on the new machine.

 

First impression -- great. Everything came over, and old files look good ... except ...

 

I'm seeing that body text in a book that I'm responsible for looks really strange. The font is Baskerville and the text in ID looks like this:

 

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The same text in a pdf I made previously, looks like this in Acrobat:

 

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If I copy the text and paste it into Word, it also looks fine (displayed in Baskerville). And if I print the page, the printed version looks okay, too.

 

Anybody have any idea what might be causing this?

 

Many thanks in advance --

Steve

 
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    Sep 25, 2012 1:36 PM   in reply to SteveC100

    You are not the first person to report this. My recollection is it tends to be font-specific, but make sure your dispaly settings are set to High Quality Display.

     
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    Sep 25, 2012 1:40 PM   in reply to Peter Spier

    I see this quite often... in Adobe Song.

     

    I recall that the generic explanation for why this happens (but only in a few cases for a few people) was "poor hinting". And I also recall, with less confidence, that the fix suggested was "go grab your old Baskerville off of your old Mac."

     
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    Sep 25, 2012 1:54 PM   in reply to SteveC100

    It's probably not related, but as a general principle Adobe apps don't do well with migrating. They should be reinstalled from the original media/download.

     
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    Sep 25, 2012 1:58 PM   in reply to SteveC100

    I'm 90% sure that Baskerville comes with Mac OS. That means that Apple (or Apple's font supplier?) changed something about the hinting in Baskerville between versions of Mac OS. Apple makes minor changes in some fonts at pretty much every release of Mac OS.

     

    And there's something about the changes this time that give InDesign a headache. This is unsurprising because Adobe doesn't rely on the host OS to render fonts, it has its own font-rendering system built into ID. So checking it in Font Book and finding that it's fine there doesn't actually tell you that it will work with all Adobe apps. For what it's worth, InDesign is pickier about fonts than most garden-variety applications.

     

    When I needed to move fonts from my old Mini to my new MBP, that's just what I did - I dragged fonts from one machine's Fonts folder and dropped 'em in the other machine.

     

    I feel pretty sure that reinstalls of Adobe apps won't affect this issue at all. Your migration regime sounds perfect, but oughtn't affect this font issue, either.

     
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    Sep 25, 2012 2:08 PM   in reply to SteveC100

    Sorry, you did say that, and I jst didn't catch it the first time through. Migrating Mac apps does not equal migrating all apps....

     
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    Sep 25, 2012 2:41 PM   in reply to SteveC100

    I'm a windows user, so I'll stay out of this part....

     
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    Sep 25, 2012 2:58 PM   in reply to SteveC100

    Well, I don't have any solutions for you, but I can suggest an experiment to try.

     

    I don't know how well it will work with your workflow, so be cautious. I have a few fonts like this - mostly for languages like Khmer or Burmese - that work fine everywhere but in ID. So I have slightly-edited versions of some of these fonts, that work okay in ID but cause Font Book (or Word, or whatever) to freak out. So I install the font twice.

     

    Now, this is is generally bad InDesign practice - having the same font installed in multiple locations can cause problems, hence my advice that you use caution. I've not tested this plan at all, so you should before you rely on it.

     

    Whatever changes were made between Baskervilles are obviously required for Mountain Lion. I am 99% sure that you do not have a corrupt version of Baskerville in Mountain Lion. Like I said, Apple make these little changes all the time.

     

    Use the InDesign fonts folder - if you dig into the InDesign folder in Applications, you'll see a "Fonts" folder. InDesign can use fonts in this folder, but no other application can use these fonts. So keep the version of Baskerville that came with Mountain Lion installed in /Library/Fonts, or wherever Font Book keeps it (???), and drop the old Snow Leopard version of the font into /Applications/something/InDesign/Fonts.

     

    This might work, but I've not tested it at all (I have a MBP at home, but my workplace is pretty much a Microsoft shop, the newest Mac we have is a mirror-door G4). So test this carefully before relying on it, if my two-fonts-installed dodge works at all. I've crossed my fingers for you...

     
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    Sep 26, 2012 9:02 AM   in reply to SteveC100

    Should I log a bug somewhere with Adobe?

     

    That's the community-minded thing to do.

     

    I suggest you insert a link to this thread, because if I were in charge of generic bug-sorting I'd say "Oh, that is a problem with Baskerville, not with ID" and round-file the bug report. But I am going to resubmit my bug, too, which is a problem with one of the Chinese fonts that is packaged with InDesign (!!!), and so maybe if we both submit the bug at the same time it will stand a better chance of being looked at by someone who can do something about it.

    Thus I assume that if a font exists in both places, ID uses the one in the application folder over the one in the system.

     

    You know, the Accepted Wisdom on these forums is that what we are doing (installiing two fonts with the same name in different places) is a Bad Idea. Your assumption is a little faulty; it will usually use the one in the /InDesign/Fonts folder instead of the OS Fonts folder. The rest of the time, it'll do something funky, or drop the italics, or crash, or something like that. Be especially vigilant when packaging or exporting PDFs or using Find Font or anything else along those lines. Those are the times that I have seen problems crop up when using this little duct-tape hack.

     
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    Sep 26, 2012 9:42 AM   in reply to SteveC100

    Whoops! Feature request/bug report is here. If you have a support contract with Adobe, use that instead.

     
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    Sep 26, 2012 10:00 AM   in reply to SteveC100

    https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

     

    Joel's link has an extra Http on the end.....

     
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    Sep 26, 2012 10:00 AM   in reply to SteveC100

    Ach, I hate this forum software, it likes to add "http://:" to the end of any link I post.

     

    Feature request/bug report is here. I tested it this time.

     
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    Sep 26, 2012 10:45 AM   in reply to SteveC100
     
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    Sep 26, 2012 10:46 AM   in reply to [Jongware]

    Oh wait, for that you have to mark an answer of your choice as "correct". You can also mark several as "helpful".

     
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