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Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?

Apr 19, 2008 11:26 AM

Dear FreeHand User all over the world,
To upgrade Freehand MX (The world most user friendly vector software).
We need numbers, the shareholders needs to know how much is the return if Adobe is going to upgarde FreeHand MX.
If FreeHand Users all over the world puts his/her name on this list that they will pay for an upgrade as soon as it is available. If the numbers is in millions. Adobe shareholders may reconsider their decision.
Let us all show our genuine interest. Just type "Yes, I will upgrade my FreeHand MX with Adobe"
Keep our fingers cross.

FreeHand User Since 1990
Jack Png
 
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    Apr 19, 2008 1:49 PM   in reply to Jack PNG
    yes
     
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    Apr 19, 2008 10:50 PM   in reply to Jack PNG

    An upgrade? Just another version number like Macromedia did?

    No! A year ago I would have said yes. Bygones are bygones.

    Jukka
     
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    Apr 20, 2008 1:29 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    Yes, I will upgrade my FreeHand MX with Adobe if it is more than an interface change ;-)
     
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    Apr 20, 2008 7:29 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    YES!
    i will upgrade my FH MX with Adobe.
    still using it everyday and it works AWESOME.
     
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    Apr 21, 2008 2:09 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    yes
     
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    Apr 21, 2008 3:35 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    Yes, I will upgrade my FreeHand MX with Adobe.
    As long as FreeHand works with MAC OSX I will never switch to Illustrator.
     
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    Apr 21, 2008 4:55 AM   in reply to FH Addict
    I'll be willing to pay double price just to get a working copy with Leopard.
     
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    Apr 21, 2008 9:46 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    Yes

     
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    Apr 21, 2008 1:49 PM   in reply to Newsgroup_User
    yes
    in spain we are hundreds and hundreds.
     
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    Apr 21, 2008 6:29 PM   in reply to Jack PNG
    Yes
     
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    Apr 22, 2008 7:18 AM   in reply to Jack PNG

    > If the numbers is in
    > millions. Adobe shareholders may reconsider their decision.

    Probably not. What are your options? The only viable option is Adobe
    Illustrator. So, there is really no compelling reason for Adobe to care
    about Freehand anymore.

    Better solution? Vote for politicians that think monopolies are not the best
    direction for our economic system. ;o)

    Also, is Png really your last name? If so...that is so geeky cool!

    -Darrel


     
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    Apr 22, 2008 7:39 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    Dear Jack,

    I have 10 copies of Freehand MX to upgrade for Leopard (new hardware due to be purchased next spring) YES!!! I will pay to upgrade if Adobe would continue my only drawing solution (I need to print postscript without font grief from MX). I will not switch to Illustrator (being using since Freehand 1). We have hundreds of thousands of files for over twenty years (engineers expect us to be able to update material from 1989!).

    Lola Durbrow
     
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    Apr 23, 2008 12:24 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    Jack, your fight, our fight to keep FreeHand alive started a while ago : http://www.enrichdesign.com/freehand.html
    But I agree we should never stop to dismiss ;-) Keep on the fight!!!!
     
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    Apr 23, 2008 8:00 AM   in reply to Newsgroup_User
    > Why should our century of learning become
    > of Nothing. How can this happen to millions of people across the world.

    It's called big business. ;o)

    I love Freehand as much as anyone. I still use it as my main illustration
    program.

    That said, I'm not wasting time with Adobe anymore. They don't care, and
    don't need to care about Freehand users. They bought the competition
    outright and did what any company in that position would do: kill it.

    I'd suggest it'd be better for us to put our efforts elsewhere...start
    working with some of the open source vector illustration products. Support
    some of the 3rd party options, etc.

    -Darrel


     
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    Apr 23, 2008 8:03 AM   in reply to FH Addict

    > As we all are aware FreeHand is still one of Adobe Product Line. The
    > shareholders still own it, they can do anything with it.

    They could, but their interests aren't in a specific illustration program.
    Their interests are in profits.

    Let's not forget that Macromedia also gave up on Freehand many releases ago,
    so this isn't anything new.

    I'm all for continuing the 'fight' and welcome the enthusiasm...I guess I'm
    being a bit more pragmatic about it these days ;o)

    -Darrel


     
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    Apr 24, 2008 5:11 PM   in reply to Jack PNG
    Yeah, I'd put money for an upgrade on Freehand. I am hesitating on getting Illustrator until absolutely necessary.

    However, understand that the Adobe Board of Directors must make the company money or the shareholders kick them out. Why would they want two similar programs competing against each other? It's not a conspiracy. Just some times it seems like it! ;-)
     
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    Apr 24, 2008 6:23 PM   in reply to Newsgroup_User
    > I want the share holders to know that they have made a BIG mistake by
    > allowing this decision to take place.

    But they haven't made a big mistake. In terms of maximizing profits,
    Freehand was pure dead weight. The code base was antiquated, the dev team
    was threadbare, and Adobe already owned the market leading competing
    product.

    Alas, Adobe did make the right decision in terms of the shareholders.

    Which is a bummer for us and Freehand, of course.

    I hate to be a downer, but reality sunk in quite a while ago for me
    regarding this. ;o)

    -Darrel


     
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    Apr 25, 2008 1:59 AM   in reply to Newsgroup_User
    quote:

    Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
    Freehand was pure dead weight. The code base was antiquated, the dev team
    was threadbare

    -Darrel





    On my Mac OS Tiger and Leopard, FreeHand is faster when opening, working and quiting. Its weight is only 35 Mo. Is there something wrong with Illustrator : slow, heavy, and it takes an undefined time when quiting ;-) and its weight is 300 Mo
    Do I miss something?
     
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    Apr 25, 2008 2:38 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    I recently went on an 2 day Illustrator training course, paid for by my work as the reality of "no more FreeHand" has set in, and while the chap taking course knew his stuff and explained everything really well, I found the actual software falling well short. I asked some pretty awkward questions too, usually to be met with a reply of "yes you can do that in Illustrator" followed by at least 5 clicks, a few menu scrolls and an arcane set of names to achieve a 2 clicks solution in FH. I'm still using Freehand for 60% of my work with Quark XPress taking up 30% and Photoshop accounting for the remainder. Even the mighty InDesign can't do some things Quark can, this all conquering Adobe stranglehold is not a good thing.
     
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    Apr 25, 2008 6:25 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    Yeah, my main stumbling block with Illus traitor is those 3 damn pointers and selecting anything be it text or object, also it was funny seeing the Adobe approved trainer on the course trying to diss FreeHand's multiple page option by saying "well what is it, is it a page layout package or is it a drawing package"? Eh, it's both you bozo!
     
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    Apr 25, 2008 4:19 PM   in reply to Jack PNG
    yes i will pay for upgrade, I have been using Freehand 8 for 10 years, starting with version 3. it's my livelihood, it what puts food on the table and pays my rent
     
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    Apr 26, 2008 8:29 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    Yes Yes, A Thousand Times YES!!! Freehand is the best and easiest interface and for total project workflow. Illustrator is CLUNKY, full of bells and whistles but much less intuitive (like using a chainsaw to cut butter) - hence, SLOWER THAN FREEHAND. I'd much rather see them discontinue Illustrator. I had to do usability studies back in the 80s when these two apps first appeared. The time comparisons which my artists completed similar tasks were almost 2 to 1, Freehand is faster to use than Illustrator. Freehand is enormously more intuitive and MORE SIMILAR to Photoshop CS3 and Flash CS3 in user experience than Illustrator.
     
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    Apr 27, 2008 8:22 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    If they just made FH Intel compatible I'd be happy enough... oh and ironed out some of the bugs... and allowed you to colour groups like it used to... and... that's about it
     
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    Apr 27, 2008 11:05 PM   in reply to Jack PNG

    > If they just made FH Intel compatible

    But it has been since version 3. ;-)

    Jukka
     
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    Apr 29, 2008 6:04 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    Yes, I will upgrade my FreeHand MX.
     
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    Apr 29, 2008 7:34 AM   in reply to geminius
    I'd buy it... absolutely,
    But do not wait too long.
    EdB
     
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    Apr 29, 2008 1:28 PM   in reply to Jack PNG

    > If they just made FH Intel compatible

    Is it not? It's running on my MacBook.

    -Darrel


     
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    Apr 29, 2008 1:39 PM   in reply to Jack PNG
    Boy! don't I look stoopid?

    I have been using FH since v.1 (back in the 80s).
    At present, where I work has 10 designers, two of them have Intel Macs and they have the ear of 'the powers that be'. They favour the Adobe CS suite, even though they admit FH is much easier/intuitive/faster than anything in their CS arsenal. They do admit, very grudgingly, that FH is a better program, but theirs are the voices that are heard and they love ID. I'm older (wiser... dafter) and grew up on Aldus FreeHand. PageMaker I just couldn't get with, then I discovered Quark XPress. Beautiful package compared to PageMaker.
    So, I'm a dinosaur a designosaur,

    Go back to my post about the Illustraitor course I went on and the questions I asked the demonstrator/facilitator bloke. I asked similar questions about ID vs Quark. I will use FH and QXP for the rest of my working life - if I'm lucky.
    At home it will always be those two progs.

    do I still look 'stoopid'?

    BTW - FuseTalk is arse compared to the PHPboards
     
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    Apr 29, 2008 5:08 PM   in reply to Jack PNG
    > I would like to point out one small but important thing. Draw a text block in illustrator, type some text, then try moving the text block with your pointer tool. It will move if you point to the text baseline or the perimeter of the text block but if you point anywhere inside the text block, it will not move.

    Go to Edit>Preferences>Type and turn off the Type Object Selection By Path Only option.

    Jack, you do your own cause more damage than good when you don't check your facts. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes Illustrator devotees think FreeHand users are merely whining because they are too lazy to learn another program that is "no better than Illustrator."

    Now let me give you one: In FreeHand, select an object. Now move it numerically, not in terms of vertical and horizontal distances, but in terms of direction and distance.

    Now wouldn't you say that functionality is pretty dang basic?

    Look: In alot of important and basic ways, FreeHand is a better vector drawing interface than Illustrator ever will be. But the ugly truth is, that's not really saying much.

    "FreeHand Addict"? You guys are addicted to mediocrity. (Never mind that AI "addicts" are addicted to worse.) "Give me FreeHand or give me death"? Give me a break. "Monopoly"? Look up the meaning. If this were an illegal monopoly the FTC would be all over it.

    If you can't stand Illustrator, give Corel or Canvas a go. Reward them for also being better than Illustrator, and for surviving despite its market share. Moreover, do your homework. Make LEGITIMATE and SUBSTANTIVE comparisons between FH and AI, so that Adobe (and more importantly, Illustrator users) will understand that the complaints are based on meaningful fact, not mere habituated favoritism.

    And finally: Post those comparisons where they can make a difference. You guys are just preaching to the choir here. " Millions"? Where do you get that figure? I count 18 different responders in 13 days. Criminy, there's more interest than that in some of the most mundane single threads in the Illustrator forums.

    JET
     
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    Apr 30, 2008 8:51 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    > "FreeHand Addict"? You guys are addicted to mediocrity. (Never mind that
    > AI
    > "addicts" are addicted to worse.) "Give me FreeHand or give me death"?
    > Give me
    > a break. "Monopoly"? Look up the meaning. If this were an illegal monopoly
    > the
    > FTC would be all over it.

    Adobe is, indeed, a monopoly. A monopoly in a time and period where the
    legal/government environment allows it.

    > If you can't stand Illustrator, give Corel or Canvas a go.

    I agree. I'd go even further and start working with some of the open source
    options.

    Of course, given that Adobe is the monopoly, if you want to make a living in
    the publishing world, you'll still have to have a copy of AI to get by.

    -Darrel


     
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    Apr 30, 2008 11:20 AM   in reply to Jack PNG
    I would definitlely buy at least 50 copies here.... we are in the process of upgrading and NEED Freehand MX to ckeep using the literally MILLIONS of files we have here.
     
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