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Adobe InDesign Middle Eastern CS6

May 13, 2012 12:36 AM

Tags: #indesign #arabic #cs6 #me #middle #middle_east #eastern

Hi

 

Where is the link to Adobe InDesign Middle Eastern CS6 Trial Download?

 

Thank you

 
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    May 13, 2012 1:02 AM   in reply to AVEbrahimi

    There are no ME editions anymore. It's all done natively now:

     

    http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/features.html

     

    Mylenium

     
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    May 13, 2012 9:17 AM   in reply to AVEbrahimi

    Moving this discussion to the InDesign forum.

     
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    May 13, 2012 9:32 AM   in reply to AVEbrahimi

    My understanding is that Adobe has brought the ME version in-house rather than having WinSoft write the additional modules, but it will be a while before it is available.

     
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    May 13, 2012 10:09 AM   in reply to Peter Spier

    When WinSoft was developing the ME versions, there was always a lag between a new InDesign release and the release of the ME version. I suspect this may still be true (just guessing, no inside knowledge).

     
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    May 13, 2012 11:57 AM   in reply to Mylenium

    From that page:

     

    "... as well as complex script languages such as Arabic and Hebrew.§

     

    § For a broader range of typographical controls, use the Middle Eastern version of InDesign."

     

    It seems "broader" should be interpreted as "any at all".

     
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    May 23, 2012 3:13 PM   in reply to [Jongware]

    Here is what many don't know: the Middle Eastern version is indeed available on InDesign (and for Creative Cloud users). In order to take advantage of the ME options you need to:

     

    1. Sign onto Adobe Application Manager.

    2. Click on your name and go to Preferences

    3. Change your language from English to "תומך עברית English" or the equivilant for Arabic etc.

    4. Double check to verify that the language settings took place by going into Preferences once again (it didn't work for me first time around).

     

    Now, any application you download (I've tried it only with InDesign so far) will automatically be with Hebrew or Arabic support.

     

    Good luck!

     
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    May 23, 2012 3:24 PM   in reply to levleo

    Note that that the תומך עברית English option has one problem with InDesign. Although the UI is in English, if you invoke Help (F1), you will end up with Hebrew-only Help. I've reported that as a bug.

     

              - Dov

     
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    Nov 30, 2012 7:46 AM   in reply to Dov Isaacs

    Adobe Middle Eastern CS6 Software can be purchased from www.languagesource.com

     
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    Jan 31, 2013 9:10 PM   in reply to Dov Isaacs

    Please clarify. Do I understand correctly that I can convert my Indesign CS6 to Middle Eastern at no additional charge?

    Other than the problem with the Help feature, will all features work the same with the addition of working from right to left?

     
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    Feb 1, 2013 3:02 AM   in reply to DistinctiveR

    No I don’t believe you can convert your Indeisgn CS6 into Middle Eastern support you will need to purchase middle Eastern edition which will have the right to left support built inn. This can be purchased from www.languagesource.com

     
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    Feb 1, 2013 3:17 AM   in reply to DistinctiveR

    DistinctiveR wrote:

     

    Please clarify. Do I understand correctly that I can convert my Indesign CS6 to Middle Eastern at no additional charge?

    If you are a Creative Cloud subscriber, then yes, you can uninstall the version you have and download and install the ME/North Africa version. The non-ME versions have RTL capabilities, though, that can be unlocked by script or by using the World Tools plugin from In-Tools.com which may be a more cost effective solution if you are not a cluld subscriber and you only occasionally need the ME features.

     
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    Feb 1, 2013 8:55 AM   in reply to Peter Spier

    I currently have CS2 which is why I am looking to upgrade. If I need to upgrade anyway, do I understand correctly that Creative Cloud is the best way to go? Are there any disadvantages I should be aware of why I may prefer to purchase a full version?

     
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    Feb 1, 2013 8:59 AM   in reply to Peter Spier

    Im not sure about the creative cloud but you no longer can upgrade from CS2

     
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    Feb 21, 2013 5:48 AM   in reply to DistinctiveR

    Creative Cloud will give you access to EVERYTHING including CS7 when it's released.

     

    Do you have any CS3 or later applications? If so, you'd qualify for intro pricing.

     

    You can also try it all for free for month http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud.html

     

    Bob

     
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    Feb 1, 2013 9:02 AM   in reply to DistinctiveR

    Nobody but you can say what the best option for you will be. If you use more than one or two of the applications and would actually spend money to keep versions current in the future, then the cloud is an amazing bargain, as it would be if you want access to Muse or other applciations or services that are not offered except on the cloud.

     
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    Feb 1, 2013 11:37 AM   in reply to Jim Middle Eastern

    thank you Peter Spier your are most welcome

     
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    Feb 2, 2013 6:26 PM   in reply to Jim Middle Eastern

    Thanks everyone for your help. It seems like I may be better off with purchasing CS6 (I quality for educational license and don't need to always have most updated edition) with a plugin. Does anyone know about ScribeDoor compares to World Toosl? Do they both serve the purpose of seamlessly converting my programs to Middle Eastern capability?

     
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    Feb 4, 2013 9:25 AM   in reply to DistinctiveR

    Do they both serve the purpose of seamlessly converting my programs to Middle Eastern capability?

    No, they both have seams, in different places.

     

    I am seriously in favor of World Tools - it suits my needs pretty much perfectly. In fact, what I'm really in favor of is World Tools Pro (although I'm stuck on World Tools on CS4 until my clients upgrade). But if you tell us what you're trying to do, then I'll try to be neutral in making a suggestion, and I'm sure that there are other posters who will be able to be more neutral than myself. Both plugins have strengths in different areas, and unless we know what kind of work you're doing, it's impossible to comapre and contrast.

     
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    Feb 4, 2013 7:15 PM   in reply to Joel Cherney

    Wow. I really appreciate your time.

    My usage is very basic so I imagine that either would be fine. I primarily use it to typeset invitations (I type backwards in Hebrew and when text needs justifying I have to manually adjust the correct number of words - not very efficient, although I'm doing it for 15 years, so I'm a whiz at typing backwards!) If I would have Hebrew capabilities, I would use it to typeset Hebrew pamphlets, primarily text based.

    So whichever works smoother would probably be fine.

    Thanks again

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 12:40 AM   in reply to levleo

    Hi Levleo, I tried what you said, using English يدعم العربية and re-installed InDesign. I don't seem to see a difference in InDesign, like right to left & left to right buttons. Do you see a difference in the menus?

     

    What I'm trying to do is work on a project started in CS5 N. African version for Mac.

     

      As I scroll up and down, I can see everything in the file. As soon as I stop on any page, more than half of the text and images become invisible. I can highlight the invisible text, even edit it in Arabic, but it remains invisible, which is not really a practical way of working... Any ideas, apart from concluding that CS6 for Win is just too different from CS5 N.African for Mac?

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 10:11 AM   in reply to DistinctiveR

    I personally think that the interface for World Tools is better, but it costs more. (Also, the guy who wrote World Tools is a forums regular.)

     

    If you know anything at all about installing and using scripts, or if you can tweak the styles in a template so you can use 'em, then you can get RTL text direction for free! But if you want easy access to tools in a well-designed interface, then scraping together a set of scripts and templates makes less sense when there are free demos for both World Tools and for ScribeDOOR. In your shoes, I'd buy World Tools because of the obvious Hebrew-leaning direction of the other tools made by the same company. (Winsoft's stuff seems to be more aimed at Arabic typography, viz. Tasmeem, whereas in-tools.com offers Hebrew-specific stuff like Drop Words in addition to the World Tools plugin.)

     

    although I'm doing it for 15 years, so I'm a whiz at typing backwards!

     

    No doubt! I always love running into fellow old-school complex-script typesetting folks. I got my start in this business right around when you did, but I was operating a creaky old Letraset machine with an irreplaceable stock of old Arabic Letraset sheets. Or typing Hebrew backwards in Pagemaker. The major advantage of upgrading your toolset here is that revisions are So. Much. Easier. if you are used to the contemporary methods of handling bidirectional text.

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 10:14 AM   in reply to MartinMarseille

    Hi Martin,

     

    I am not a Creative Cloud user, so I have no idea how to use the Application Manager to get an RTL-enabled install of InDesign. But the behavior you report:

      As I scroll up and down, I can see everything in the file. As soon as I stop on any page, more than half of the text and images become invisible. I can highlight the invisible text, even edit it in Arabic, but it remains invisible, which is not really a practical way of working... Any ideas, apart from concluding that CS6 for Win is just too different from CS5 N.African for Mac?

     

    sounds for all the world like a video-card driver issue. I had similar issues in complex scripts that I could resolve temporarily by a) only using PageUp and PageDown, never using the scroll wheel, and 2) zooming in and out to get the characters to redraw. Unfortunately, the only permanent solution was to find updated video card drivers.

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 2:05 PM   in reply to Joel Cherney

    There are a lot of easy scripting solutions.

     

    You can type your hebrew forward and then select it and then run this script

     

     

    app.selection[0].contents=app.selection[0].contents.split("").reverse().join("")
    

     

    before

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    after

    _Untitled-3 @ 600%_2013-02-05_23-51-32.png

     

    There are better ways of doing this but I'm scared Harb's will beat me up or even worse not answer my questions on the forum so you should go for In-Tools plug in.

     

    It seems that one can get creative cloud in Israel now and if not it must be coming very soon as the adobe Israel site is full of it.

     

    If you have a US, UK etc. address then you can for sure sucribe to it from Israel.

     

    החלצהב

     

    Trevor

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 2:18 PM   in reply to Trevorׅ

    If you're going to script solutions for Hebrew you may as well go all the way:

     

    app.selection[0].characterDirection = CharacterDirectionOptions.rightToLeftDirection
    

     

    I think that's the syntax, anyways - scripting on the fly is a real weak spot for me.

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 2:21 PM   in reply to DistinctiveR

    Forgot to say that you can get an educational discount on the cloud

    come to $20 a month for the whole range and of CS programs and I think about $8 for just ID (have to check into that)

    The out lay is not too much.

     

    Joel the real way to go is to change the composer, but as I said I'm scared of Harbs.

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 2:27 PM   in reply to Joel Cherney

    Joel, you forgot to check your script

     

    It will only work if you change the composer to
    "Adobe World-Ready Paragraph Composer" or to "Adobe World-Ready Single-line Composer"

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 2:32 PM   in reply to Trevorׅ

    Well, I said that I was writing it from memory - "no testing" is implied, right? It didn't occur to me that characterDirection options are a property of the WRC only, but you are 100% right. Moral of the story: if you need it to work the first time, give somebody some money. But not me!

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 2:34 PM   in reply to Trevorׅ

    ~ Trevor ~ wrote:

    but as I said I'm scared of Harbs.

    Aw, C'mon. Harbs is a pussy cat.

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 2:36 PM   in reply to Peter Spier

    More like Raw, he's a lion

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 3:23 PM   in reply to Peter Spier

    Got a bit worried here that some nutter would take me seriously

     

    Harbs a good guy and a big help to hundreds if not thousands.

     

    If he wasn't a good guy I would make my own Middle East, Chinese etc. plugin and sell it but I don't want to take away from his livelihood.

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 11:39 PM   in reply to Joel Cherney

    Thanks Joel, I'll check that out. I'm on a new computer, so it could well be.

     
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    Feb 6, 2013 1:59 AM   in reply to MartinMarseille

    Ok, updated to the latest nVidia driver and this has cured the problem. I can now open the file started on CS5 N. Africa for Mac. Seems that the extra you get when using using Levleo's tip to get Arabic capability is the World Ready Composer, (that I used back in CS4 but hadn't been officially implemented). Whatever, it seems to allow me to work on the Arabic enough to do the job :-)  or am I likely to run into limitations?

     
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