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Samuel Chrisna
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Mix NTSC and PAL format

May 22, 2012 9:23 PM

Tags: #premiere #sequence #pal #ntsc

hello guys..

 

I just did some motion graphics videos in NTSC format using after effects. I know this is my mistake because I live in Indonesia and Indonesia uses PAL format for broadcasting but I used NTSC My office bought a camera in PAL format and I want to mix videos from that camera with my motion graphs videos. What should I do? Which sequence settings that I work with?

1112 Views   15 Replies   Latest reply: Jim Simon, May 23, 2012 8:44 AM
 
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  • shooternz
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    1. shooternz,
    May 22, 2012 10:05 PM   in reply to Samuel Chrisna
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    Take your comp into a PAL comp or change the comp setting to PAL and output it as a PAL file.

     

    Kind of saying ...fix it in After Effects.

     
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  • Jim Simon
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    2. Jim Simon,
    May 22, 2012 10:55 PM   in reply to Samuel Chrisna
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    What should I do?

     

    Redo the work in the correct comp.

     
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  • Samuel Chrisna
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    3. Samuel Chrisna,
    May 22, 2012 11:27 PM   in reply to shooternz
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    so i have to convert all videos that I made into PAL? I just tried to convert into PAL and it became pixelate. not as sharp as NTSC format It will take a lot of time to change it into PAL from NTSC from its comp in after effect.. I mean, can I mix them into a sequence without changing the quality of the videos?

     
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  • Jon-M-Spear
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    4. Jon-M-Spear,
    May 23, 2012 12:00 AM   in reply to Samuel Chrisna
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    I do a lot of mixed standards editing - where material from across the world has to be included in single programmes.  These often are played-in on 12ft+ screens.

     

    I usually place the material, whatever the standard, straight into the sequence of the requested country's standard.  A  size adjustment is required - and NTSC (Not Twice Same Colour) is c**p at the best of times.  You may also have to adjust Field Options.

     

    Whether the purists agree or not is another thing entirely - but it works.  Try it

     
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  • Jim Simon
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    May 23, 2012 12:08 AM   in reply to Samuel Chrisna
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    can I mix them into a sequence without changing the quality of the videos?

     

    No.  If you try and use the NTSC versions in any way, you will invariably suffer some degree of quality loss due to both the altered resolution and frame rate.

     

    It may take time to rebuild properly, but if you want the quality, you'll have to.

     
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  • Samuel Chrisna
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    6. Samuel Chrisna,
    May 23, 2012 4:52 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear
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    yea i know that NTSC is the best format.. just look at the fps of NTSC we know that NTSC format has 29.97 which is more smoothly than PAL.. which sequence settings you usually use? or you make your video by dragging them into a new sequence. i have tried that and its size sooooo big.. by the way i dont understand the meaning of adjust Field Options is..

     
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  • Samuel Chrisna
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    7. Samuel Chrisna,
    May 23, 2012 4:55 AM   in reply to Jim Simon
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    yes! this is what i ever experienced.. :') so i asked you guys how to fix it.. and the only way is rebuild them.. oooh my god..

     
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  • Jon-M-Spear
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    May 23, 2012 7:03 AM   in reply to Samuel Chrisna
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    I diagree about HTSC being the best standard.  We jest that it stands for Not Twice ame Colour, whilst PAL - Perhaps Almost Lifelike.  IMHO, and that of BBC engineers some years ago, broadcast PAL wiped the floor with NTSC - it was ghastly colour.  The fact that it has 4 more fgrames a second is hardly a reason to use it.

     

    Field Options allow you to select which line you want to display first in interlaced material - see below...  This is not an issue with material such as 208p25, as it is not interlaced.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlaced_video

     
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  • Harm Millaard
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    9. Harm Millaard,
    May 23, 2012 7:10 AM   in reply to Samuel Chrisna
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    NTSC, as Jon said stands for Never-Twice the-Same-Color, with the limitations of 16-237 IRE versus 0-255 IRE for PAL, with a vertical 480 resolution versus 576 PAL, just does not measure up to PAL. it is a pity that Americans never seem to grasp that their NTSC standard is far inferior to PAL.

     
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  • Samuel Chrisna
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    May 23, 2012 7:26 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear
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    PAL perhaps almost life like because real life has 24fps while NTSC 29.97 fps lol. okay guys I dont know why you guys measure them based on their resolution. not based on their fps. NTSC has 30fps so it plays video soooo smooth. so what's the benefits making videos with PAL format?

     
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  • Harm Millaard
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    11. Harm Millaard,
    May 23, 2012 7:31 AM   in reply to Samuel Chrisna
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    What do you prefer: 320 x 240 @ 120 fps, or 1920 x 1080 @ 25 fps? Since when is framerate so important when lighting, DOF and similar stuff are much more important to create that mysterious 'film-look'. Of course resolution and color fidelity is much more important than frame rate. That is where NTSC loses.

     
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  • Jon-M-Spear
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    12. Jon-M-Spear,
    May 23, 2012 7:32 AM   in reply to Samuel Chrisna
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    Sorry about my clumsy typing in the last post!

     

    More haste, less speed!

     
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  • Samuel Chrisna
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    13. Samuel Chrisna,
    May 23, 2012 7:41 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard
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    oohh okay.. i prefer 1920 x 1080 @ 25 fps absolutely.. i see i see.. all this time i compare them with their fps. wow i finally understand hehe.. thank yoouu..!

     
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  • Samuel Chrisna
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    14. Samuel Chrisna,
    May 23, 2012 7:42 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear
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    hahahahaha.. take an easy bro. fortunately i understood what you typed lol..

     
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  • Jim Simon
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    15. Jim Simon,
    May 23, 2012 8:44 AM   in reply to Samuel Chrisna
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    what's the benefits making videos with PAL format?

     

    The benefit is that PAL AE comps will fit in with the cadence and resolution of the rest of the PAL project, while maintaining quality.  If you try and mix the NTSC comps in with your PAL footage, there will be a noticeable difference in quality.

     
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