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OpenCL with Intel HD 4000 and Premiere Pro

Jun 17, 2012 2:18 AM

Is there any way to enable OpenCL rendering for Intel HD 4000 Graphics in Premiere Pro CS6? I am very disappointed that it's not working. Premiere Pro doesn't support Intel QuickSync technology, which enables faster rendering than even high-end CUDA-equipped graphic cards, so if at least OpenCL rendering could be enabled, I would really appreciate it.

 
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    Jun 17, 2012 2:34 AM   in reply to freddy133712

    No.

     

    Intel QuickSync technology, which enables faster rendering than even high-end CUDA-equipped graphic cards

    Based on what information? Intel marketing hype or can you substantiate that with hard data?

     
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    Jun 17, 2012 8:35 AM   in reply to freddy133712
     
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    Jun 17, 2012 10:58 AM   in reply to freddy133712

    Are you on a Mac or Windows PC?  The new Macbook Pros come with both, an Intel HD4000 integrated processor and a nvidia GT650M discrete processor with 384 cuda cores. I can't wait to see how Premiere Pro runs on these new babies. I just returned a 2011 model (Sandy Bridge) Macbook Pro with OpenCL enabled I bought last month to get one of the new non-retina display (Ivy Bridge) Macbook Pros they just announced.

     
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    Jun 17, 2012 12:29 PM   in reply to freddy133712

    You did not tell me you are a gamer. I figured, since you post on PR forum, that your interest was in video editing and not in all kind of crap.

     

    This is a test from Tom's that has absolutely no relevance to video editing.

     

    Ivy Brigde is around 5-7% faster than SB. Not twice as you claim. You are comparing things that are not comparable and basing your arguments on wrong assumptions and quoting the wrong tests.

     

    What you call amazing is in fact about ten times slower than an Ivy Bridge desktop with a GTX 460 and the Intel 4000 disabled. On a HP laptop the performance penalty will be around 20 times slower than a good desktop. But then, that is measured with a benchmark specifically dedicated to video editing with PR, not your games.

     

    The best Ivy Bridge destop system with Intel HD 4000 graphics ranks at #430, only surpassed by 429 other video cards. So much for amazing.

     
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    Jun 17, 2012 12:56 PM   in reply to freddy133712

    Then use those converters and abstain from using PR, because you WILL degrade performance by a factor 10 or more for PR.

     

    Tom's problem is that they can not test PR adequately and since you post in this forum, the only thing relevant is PR performance.

     

    Suggestion: Use Cyberlink PowerDirector instead of Premiere Pro.

     
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    Jun 17, 2012 1:21 PM   in reply to freddy133712

    I would be interested, using that experimental plug-in, how you score on the PPBM5 Benchmark . Maybe you can run the test and submit your results.

     
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    Jun 17, 2012 2:08 PM   in reply to freddy133712

    That shows the value of the Intel pug-in if you can't do basic exports.

     
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    Jun 17, 2012 5:58 PM   in reply to freddy133712

    rendering to H.264 is 5 times faster than by using just the CPU.

     

    According to Robert Heron and Patrick Norton from Tekzilla, accelerated encoding may indeed be faster, but often at the expense of quality.  And that applies to CUDA, ATI Stream and Quick Sync.

     

    They both recommend sticking with CPU encoding for now.

     
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    Jun 18, 2012 6:15 PM   in reply to freddy133712

    Adobe says is that CUDA/OpenCL always renders at the maximum settings,

     

    They're talking about scaling.  Adobe doesn't use CUDA for actual transcoding.

     
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    Jun 18, 2012 6:21 PM   in reply to freddy133712

    #11 - Intel graphics chips - historically, Intel has produced really good graphics chips, BUT they have been horribly remiss with regards to issuing video drivers in a timely fashion, if at all. Not sure how the newer chips will be, and only hope that history does not repeat itself.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jun 18, 2012 8:40 PM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    Intel made a big improvement with their Sandy Bridge intergrated graphics and I mean huge when you compare them to the previous gen parts. However you simply can't compare Intel's on die GPU against high end discrete GPU's. .  I recommend purchasing a GTX470 or another card that supports CUDA if you plan to edit with Premiere.

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 7:38 AM   in reply to ComputerNovice25

    For my education, has Intel's driver support improved, as of Sandybridge?

     

    Just curious.

     

    Appreciated,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 10:46 AM   in reply to freddy133712

    freddy133712 wrote:

     

    #11: Yeah, well shame on Adobe that they haven't enabled Intel to.

     

    Make a feature request then: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 10:56 AM   in reply to freddy133712

    freddy133712 wrote:

     

    It took Adobe quite a few years to implement CUDA

     

    The SDK from NVIDIA for CUDA came out in '07. Premiere Pro CS5 with CUDA support came out in '10. That's not quite a few years, that's a few years.

     

     

    they still haven't implemented acceleration for ATI graphic cards nor for Intel.

     

    Premiere Pro CS6 has hardware acceleration using OpenCL for AMD cards in MacBook Pros. We don't have OpenCL support for other cards yet, but you can make a feature request: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

     

    More info on Premiere Pro and OpenCL support: http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2012/05/opencl-and-premiere -pro-cs6.html

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 12:57 PM   in reply to freddy133712

    Thanks for that. Maybe Intel is now stepping up the video driver development.

     

    Appreciated,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jan 18, 2013 7:47 PM   in reply to freddy133712

    I couldn't resist, but Harm Millaard must have had a rager before posting above and tried to bash you, but failed. I'll apologize on his behalf for his temporary blindness, lack of empathy in your inquiry, and his hate on intel even though Quick Sync is a fantastic tool used for specific purposes. I don't think it's in Adobe's interest to support Quick Sync if its best use is to lighten load during video consumption and video ripping at blazing speeds, rather than providing fine control to produce professional videos from your edits.

     

    Also, IB being twice as fast as SB is nearly accurate, in context of what this post is about... video encoding. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/intel-hd-graphics-40 00-2500_7.html

     
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    Jan 19, 2013 2:53 AM   in reply to VanNguyenCR

    If you want to produce professional video with MediaExpresso, to profit from the Intel graphics, go ahead.  Adobe does not use it and since the OP posted on the PR CS5/5.5/6 forum, MediaEspresso is irrelevant.

     

    As to IB being twice as  fast as SB, that is not shown in benchmarks. The best i7-2600K comes out at rank # 46 with 157 seconds, the best i7-3770K comes out at rank # 72 with 170 seconds. But with Intel Graphics, the best i7-3770K comes out at rank # 477 with 349 seconds, more than 9 times slower than a fast system.

     
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    Jan 19, 2013 5:08 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    Freddy133712's post is relevant Harm or Mr. Millaard (which ever you prefer). He is simply asking if Premiere can make use of Intel's integrated GPUs. You seem to want to be a tad bit rude in your response to him. Freddy133712 is also correct about the GPU of Ivory Bridge being much better than the GPU of Sandy Bridge. The GPU of Haswell will be even better from what I have seen and read. I don't doubt that Adobe is taking a closer look at Open CL and the Intel on board GPUs. Will PP 7.0 make use of Intel's integrated GPUs? Only time will tell but Freddy133712's question is a valid question. Your rather rude response might scare people away from asking questions on these forums.

     
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    Jan 19, 2013 5:52 AM   in reply to medeamajic

    What is rude about: No?

     
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