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Switching web editors

Jun 20, 2012 12:33 PM

I've read before that one can't import a muse created website into another web editor, but I thought it was possible to import websites into other editors such as Dreamweaver? My concern is that in case Muse is discontinued or I wish to use a different editor those websites I've created in Muse will basically have to be remade all over to stay updated.

 

The whole subscription model is only exacerbating this situation since I could otherwise keep a bought version of the relevant editor on the computer to edit any old sites, but with Muse I have to rent everytime I would need to edit something created in Muse, even though I may not have any actual use for Muse any longer (if, say, I'm using Dreamweaver instead).

 

It seems very unfriendly to not only be locked to an editor for any site designed with that but also having to rent it only to make updates to those sites instead of being able to simply buy it and have an old version on the computer that would be plenty good for simple content additions.

 

So my question is whether I've misunderstood something or if there are plans to make it possible to import a Muse designed site into other editors like Dreamweaver.

 
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    Jun 21, 2012 6:44 AM   in reply to clovertree

    but I thought it was possible to import websites into other editors such as Dreamweaver?

     

    This depends ENTIRELY upon your skill set in Dreamweaver and deciphering code. There have been several very experienced web designers and coders who have explained to the lesser code knowledgeable here that the code Muse produces is VERY complex and heavy to go through. It's not coder/editor friendly ( loads of extra code to wade through ) and would take a lot of time and patience to go through it all and slim it down in a programme like Dreamweaver. Quite frankly, if you HAVE those type of skills, you most likely wouldn't be using Muse in the first place.

     

    Muse is like a High-End Hobbiest ---> Pro-sumer product. Dreamweaver is meant and marketed for professionals in the web industry. Muse is designed to be easy and elegant to use for people with a low to mid level skill set, but to keep this possible, it's a bit of 'closed system' .

     

    My concern is that in case Muse is discontinued or I wish to use a different editor those websites I've created in Muse will basically have to be remade all over to stay updated

     

    Believe me, that Muse being discontinued is MY main concern as well. At this point, I have taken a bit of the plunge and 'gone for it' with a bit of trust and hoping for the best in regards to it's longivity. I do think that since iWeb was eliminated, that Muse has an excellent chance on the market with those who started using iWeb, got a bit confident and want to bring it up a notch. Or, they are professional desingers like myself who were trained in Dreamweaver, but usually do print design and lost their web-skills. So, I use Muse for my companies websites ( I am an In-House designer ) that are realatively easy sites focusing more on basic information and aesthetics then any interactivity or CMS systems. However, becuase they are not THAT complex, if I can to loose them and start all over again with another WYSIWYG editor, I could do so.

     

    If you need more then what's Muse's 'golden cage' has to offer, it might better to take the step up to Dreamweaver and bypass this programme.

     

    So my question is whether I've misunderstood something or if there are plans to make it possible to import a Muse designed site into other editors like Dreamweaver.

     

    As far as has been made publically aware; no, there are no plans to make a Muse originated site easier to edit in Dreamweaver. Muse is a bit of a closed system and I believe it has been designed this wayintentionally too. To make things easy, it has limited functions, to which the Muse team have promised will be added to over time. However, it's been designed to be used as a closed system without too much in the way of 3rd party manipulation.. You design your sites in Muse, you edit them in Muse, it spits out some HTML and some CSS and you go from there. It's not meant to then go into another more complex editor like Dreamweaver. Remember, many of it's intended market wouldn't have an expensive piece of software like Dreamweaver in the first place.

     

    So, bascially no, there is nothing STOPPING you from importing your Muse designed site into Dreamweaver, apart from your skill set and patience. However, if you do so - keep in mind that whatever you do change to the site in Dreamweaver is only good for that one upload only. You can not then take that Dreamweaver "edit" or manipulation of the site and get it BACK into Muse. It won't work. You would have to make those changes again everytime updated the site as you can't take exisiting sites/code/HTML/CSS and reinsert them into Muse.

     

     

     

    The whole subscription model is only exacerbating this situation since I could otherwise keep a bought version of the relevant editor on the computer to edit any old sites,

     

    And THAT is the crux of the problem / controversy with Muse. You are effectively ransomed unless something at Adobe changes.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 12:17 PM   in reply to morgan_in_london

    Well stated morgan_in_london.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 2:57 PM   in reply to clovertree

    We have plans for enabling integration with the Business Catalyst CMS that will enable you or your client to, at a minimum, make minor text edits from the browser without needing Muse (and have those edits show up back in Muse if/when you decide to make larger changes via Muse at a later date). This won't be part of the next quarterly release, but it is high on the overall priority list.

     

    As for Muse going away, that feels unlikely. The Public Beta was very successful and thus far Muse is continuing to be well received by its target audience.

     

    In the event Muse was discontinued, Adobe's made a commitment in the FAQ http://www.adobe.com/products/muse/faq.html to make the final version available to subscribers without any subscription requirement. Effectively this would result in the same situation as software with a one-time purchase perpetual license (i.e. GoLive, LiveMotion, etc.). You'd have a copy of Muse that would continue to work, but it would no longer be updated or supported by Adobe.

     

    From the FAQ:

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    What happens if Adobe decides to stop selling subscriptions to Adobe Muse?

    In the event that Adobe decides to discontinue subscriptions to Adobe Muse, Adobe will make the most recent version of Adobe Muse available for download free of charge to active Adobe Muse subscription customers for a period no less than 90 days. Such downloads will not require a subscription and will be licensed on as-is, no warranty basis, and no support or updates of any kind will be provided.

    "

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 5:09 PM   in reply to clovertree

    I can't predict how the end-of-life strategy for Muse would play out beyond pointing out the minimum commitment made in the FAQ. When that day comes, I fully expect Adobe will do what's right for Muse customers and at a minimum that will mean a 90-day window during which you could subscribe and download the final version.

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 1:12 AM   in reply to Zak Williamson (Adobe)

    Zak,

     

    Thank you for adding on the "Minimum Commitment" link from the FAQ, I admit that I had not read that before and I feel much safer and much more confident knowing that in the unlikely event that Muse was discontinued, I could at least have a "final copy" of the programme to continue using; much like an older version of GoLive or some of the older Macromedia programmes that I keep and continue to use despite no longer being offically supported.

     

    I feel a lot better about that now - thanks :^)

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 1:28 AM   in reply to clovertree

    @ Clovertree

     

    I would imagine that final download would be made available to both current and previous subscribers for one final "monthly" subscription fee of £/$/€

     

    So, on the month ( 3 months actually ) that Muse is declared discontinued, you pay for a subscription that month, presto, you're an 'active subscription customer' and obtain the final download at the time.

     
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    Jun 30, 2012 5:41 PM   in reply to clovertree

    Just a terrible business model to begin with.

     

    People like to "BUY" a car even if they are going to sell it in 4 years and leasing would be cheaper.

    No one wants to rent a car for 4 years.

     

    I ran an asphalt business for 11 years and I couldn't imagine leasing a truck instead of owning it.

     

     

    THEN there's the problem of a low commitment to the product.

    Muse is missing a basic "Contact Form" maker. Every other web program like this has one.

    Rollover buttons ONLY from photoshop?

    Many other things not right.

     

    To succeed in business you have to WOW customers, not disappoint.

     

    Although, other than some issues I really love it and would pay $600 for it.

    But I gotta have a contact form maker.

     
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    Dec 21, 2012 4:22 AM   in reply to clovertree

    Last month I designed and built my website (RobertGoguen.com) using Muse... I was shocked that I couldn't edit text in Dreamweaver. BUT, this morning in comes an email from Microsoft: "end of life" products Web Expression 4 is now FREE... and it can easily edit HTML5... so far with early testing you can edit text and preview your page AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT!

     

    Expression Web 4 (free) http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=36179

     
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    Dec 21, 2012 4:24 AM   in reply to clovertree

    You can edit your website with Expression Web 4 and it's free http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=36179

     
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