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Cache - embedded why 1024 files?

Jul 23, 2012 8:12 AM

I thought I had Bridge cache figured out, but guess not.  Perhaps someone can enlighten me, or at least do a test and see if they get same results.

 

I used embedded thumbnails as it provides the fastest and smallest footprint (I thought).  I do not have "export cache to folders" enabled, and do not have "keep 100% previews" checked.  So therefore my expectation is that only the 256 folder (embedded thumbs) will be filled.  But the 1024 folder (HQ thumbs) is filled also, the Full folder is empty as expected.  The same sub-folder in 256 will be 2 megs while the 1024 will be 40 meg.  So the 1024 folder is 20 times the size of a 256 folder.

 

Works the same in CS5 or CS6 for me.  So if someone with embedded thumbnails would try this and report back I would appreciate it.

 

In Bridge go to a folder and scroll to bottom of page and wait for spinning arrow to stop to make sure all images are indexed.  Then open Windows Explorer (in Mac ?) and open location of scratch directory.  Open 256 folder find the sub-folder you were in.  It will not list the folder name exactly as you have it, but you should be able to figure it out.  (If you double click on a sub-folder name it will open thumbnails.)  Right click on subfolder and look at Properties.  Record the file size.  Do same for 1024 folder. 

 

Note: if in past you have used HQ thumbs you can go to Tools/purge cache for xxx folder.  It will rebuild cache in a few seconds, make sure you scroll to bottom of page and let spinning arrow stop.  Check files as outlined in paragraph above.

 
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    Jul 23, 2012 2:58 PM   in reply to Curt Y

    Now you've totally lost me Curt , (and I'm guessing this is due to my ignorance of Windows beyond 32-bit Vista  ).

     

    But I haven't got the faintest clue as to what "the 256 folder (embedded thumbs)", "the 1024 folder (HQ thumbs)", "the Full folder is empty" (this last one sounds like Abbot and Costello to me) mean.

     

    (FYI, the Mac equivalent of Windows Explorer is the Finder.)

     

    As to your remark "I do not have "export cache to folders" enabled", I'm with the late, lamented Bruce Fraser when he wrote that, in his opinion, "that is sheer insanity." 

     
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    Jul 23, 2012 10:40 PM   in reply to Curt Y

    Curt Y wrote:

     

    …Station_two I know you can find it, you just probably have never had the need to.

     

     

    You got that right, Curt!     I'm just not in the habit of looking at my User Library (~Library) all that often.

     

     

    So, I did find the following:

     

    (I tried this in the Bridge CS4 installation, as I didn't want to switch to the MacBook laptop, which is my only machine that runs CS5 and CS6.)

     

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ 256/  ===>>  149 subfolders = 151.5 MB

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ 1024  ===>>  195 subfolders = 1.48 GB

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ data   ===>>     2 subfolders =  29.4 MB

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ full     ===>>  50 subfolders = 423.7 MB

     

     

     

    So, I create a new subfolder in Bridge (Folders Panel), name it "CurtY-Test_folder" and stick 20 random images in it from a pre-existing folder through Bridge.

     

    Now I see the following subfolders:

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ 256/ CurtY_TeD14513CB  =  584 KB

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ 1024/ CurtY_TeD14513CB = 3.3 MB

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ dat   (NO CHANGES HERE)

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ full/ CurtY_TeD14513CB =   12.1 MB

     

     

    These are my relevant Bridge CS4 prefs:

     

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    Picture 24.png 

     

     

    Hope that's of some use to you, because I'm not sure what all this is supposed to mean. 

     
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    Jul 23, 2012 10:49 PM   in reply to Curt Y

    After doing all of that described above, I went back to Bridge, moved the 20 images back to their original location, and moved the "CurtY-Test_folder" to the Trash, then moved to the Finder and emptied the trash.

     

    The created subfolders in the three Cache locations are still there, but they are now empty.

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ 256/ CurtY_TeD14513CB  =  EMPTY

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ 1024/ CurtY_TeD14513CB = EMPTY

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ dat   (NO CHANGES HERE)

     

    ~Library/ Caches/ Adobe/ BridgeCS4/ Cache/ full/ CurtY_TeD14513CB =   EMPTY

     
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    Jul 24, 2012 6:40 AM   in reply to Curt Y

    Curt Y wrote:

     

    I thought I had Bridge cache figured out, but guess not.  Perhaps someone can enlighten me, or at least do a test and see if they get same results.

     

    I used embedded thumbnails as it provides the fastest and smallest footprint (I thought).  I do not have "export cache to folders" enabled, and do not have "keep 100% previews" checked.  So therefore my expectation is that only the 256 folder (embedded thumbs) will be filled.  But the 1024 folder (HQ thumbs) is filled also, the Full folder is empty as expected.  The same sub-folder in 256 will be 2 megs while the 1024 will be 40 meg.  So the 1024 folder is 20 times the size of a 256 folder.

    I think the 1024 folder caches preview files (thumbs are in the 256 folder).  So Bridge may generate preview files in the 1024 folder even if you have Prefer Embedded checked to not generate color-managed thumbs (in 256).

     
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    Jul 24, 2012 8:24 AM   in reply to Curt Y

    Curt Y wrote:


    When I ran my test I purged the cache in the folder and did not visit any images.  So would assume that no preview thumbs would be generated.  Yet the 1024 folder was filled with the higher resolution thumbs.

     

    However, not sure if the preview needs a higher res. cache or not.  All very confusing.

    Similar a one-folder sample test here:  Bridge generated preview files in the1024 folder even though it did not generate thumbs in 256 (prefer embedded checked) and I selected no images in content panel.

     

    Re higher res for preview files (vs thumbs) - I looked at Bridge cache thumb and preview jpegs for one sample jpeg: thumb/256 jpg is 238 x 256 pixels; preview/1024 jpg is 952 x 1024 pixels.

     
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    Jul 24, 2012 9:24 AM   in reply to Curt Y

    Curt Y wrote:

     

    ... So my assumption is that the smaller cache thumb loads fast, but it does not reduce the size of the cache as it generates HQ thumbs for the preview.  Kind of defeats the purpose of using small embedded thumbs the way I see it.

    I'd say the purpose of using small embedded thumbs vs HQ thumbs is not size in cache but time to generate the thumb files -- not so much for jpeg files, but prefer embedded can be much faster for a folder of large raw files.

     
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