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Has the clip marker problem been resolved in Premiere cs6?

Jul 30, 2012 3:14 PM

Has the clip marker problem been resolved in Premiere CS6.  As of early July, it was not!  Navigating, synchronizing clips seems impossible.

 
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    Jul 30, 2012 3:19 PM   in reply to rmartin215

    There's been no change.

     
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    Jul 30, 2012 3:38 PM   in reply to rmartin215

    rmartin215 wrote:

     

    Has the clip marker problem been resolved in Premiere CS6.  As of early July, it was not!  Navigating, synchronizing clips seems impossible.

     

    Can you explain your exact problems?

     
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    Aug 14, 2012 12:17 PM   in reply to rmartin215

    What CAN you do with clip markers in CS6? Nothing it seems?? After I add a marker in a clip, it shows up visually on the Timeline, but I can't do anything with it. In the "Marker" menu, "go to next/previous marker" are grayed out. Is this the problem you are referring to, rmartin215?

     
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    Aug 14, 2012 12:47 PM   in reply to rmartin215

    Adobe has dropped the ball with clip Markers with CS6. I hope they come out with an update soon and we do not have to wait for 6.5 next spring. Adobe did a lot of wonderful things with CS6 but obviously hacked some good features that were in 5.5 in the process. Sometimes if its not broke dont fix it for the sake of fixing it.

     

    When I installed CS6 a while ago and saw how they butchered clip markers I was shocked, I almost considered going back to 5.5 just for the clip markers. I would imagine alot of us use clips markers in daily workflows when working with alot of footage. As nice as sequence markers are that are pointless after you place one then and do a ripple edit, markers are now out of sync with footage.

     

    So I hope Adobe corrects/repairs/upates (whatever you want to call it) at some point soon. As much as an improvements they made with the timeline and the "editing experience", for me personally, they made my editing experience tougher with the hack job they did on the clip markers.

     

    Shane

     
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    Aug 14, 2012 12:54 PM   in reply to Shane P

    A lot of people have been disappointed by the way Adobe hacked the clip markers, and the moves you have to do to add the clip markers. If you type "CLIP MARKERS" in the search box you will see an endless list of forums about this issue.

     

    You can only move a clip marker in the source monitor though, but not in the sequnce!

     
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    Aug 25, 2012 9:20 AM   in reply to srukweza

    How a company can do things like this for their paying clients is really beyond me. Why is Adobe not listening to it's clients? Did you make a survey before taking this critical feature out? Did you have the slightest attempt to actually ask your clients if it is a good idea to remove this feature? This kind of behaviour is truly arrogant and will simply cause me to look elsewhere. And one thing is for certain: there will be no upgrade purchases for me while things like this keep happening. Read a few books about customer relations. Consistency is critical. You cannot simply take out existing features all of a sudden and expect your clients to be happy. Sorry for the rant but I'm just really frustrated with the recent Adobe upgrades. CS3 was huge, but after that there hasn't been much going on.

     
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    Aug 26, 2012 2:41 PM   in reply to Andy Bay

    Much as I hate the removal of clip marker timeline functionality, there has been a LOT going on with Premiere Pro since CS3, whose biggest claim to fame was that it was now available for Macs, but offered little improvement for the already installed Windows user base.  CS4 saw the implementation of the current user interface, a BIG improvement over CS3's separate windows.  CS5 saw the transformation to a fully native 64 bit application, which was HUGE.  It also introduced us to hardware acceleration, also HUGE.

     

    5.5 was a minor update, whose most notable improvement was probably the Merge Clips feature for those who shoot dual system sound.

     

    But CS6 adds a whole host of great new features which more than make up for some few drawbacks.  Things like Adjustment Layers, unlimited multicamera angles, hover scrubbing, genuine full-screen playback, Render In to Out, ALT+drag in the sequence to make a copy of a clip, Rolling Shutter repair effect, uninterrupted playback, a much improved Audio Mixer interface, multichannel audio output, adaptive audio tracks, finally a 64-bit Encore, and how can we forget Mercury Transmit, which eliminates the need to work in a third-party sequence preset when monitoring with third-party hardware.

     

    CS6 is overall the single biggest improvement to Premiere since it went Pro!

     

    Now that I feel I've put things back into perspective, I do agree that the removal of clip marker functionality is not a good thing, and should be restored as quickly as possible.

     
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    Aug 25, 2012 1:09 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    You can not add markers to clips on the timeline easily anymore. Why they would disable this critically useful function, who knows?

     
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    Aug 25, 2012 2:13 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim, you are right and thanks for correcting my statement. I was indeed talking about the whole Adobe Creative Suite in general, not only Premiere. Maybe the recent developement of After Effects is really what is annoying me the most. I will admit that Premiere has definitely seen some great improvements since CS3.

     

    So sorry for my rant, I was just really shocked to realize that this feature was suddenly, without warning, taken out. I don't feel it's right for a software company to do that. I would really like to ask Adobe what they think we should use instead of clip markers? Timeline markers become useless after a few ripple edits as you know. I also don't want to rename my clips in the current workflow I'm doing. How should I make notes on my clips at specific points in time? Don't you feel like the possibility to input and organize time-based information is pretty important when edits get complex? For me, this is a must-have feature for any editing system. That's why I feel so disappointed that it was removed without any alternatives.

     

    If this thread goes like a typical thread, someone will soon tell me to file a feature request. But not even the simplest features I have requested time and time again get implemented, so it feels like a waste of time. I also feel like we should not NEED to do feature request for things that are just common sense. Someone at Adobe should have realized how important clip markers are for certain workflows. It's really beyond me how they didn't. Is anyone at Adobe actually editing things with Premiere?

     
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    Aug 25, 2012 3:09 PM   in reply to Andy Bay

    @ Jim - I agree, CS6 did wonderful things, but Clip Markers are dreadful. Is it possible that when Adobe was working on CS6 that whatever code that goes on under the hood was inadvertantly modified and not caught before the release?

     

    It just doesnt make sense why they would take them out. I can't see a logical reason, they didn't provide a better alternative.

     

    And not for nothing, Kevin Monohan disappeared and never followed up?

     

    I think Adobe is aware of the issue and that they either intentionally or unintentionally botched up Clip Markers, I hope this gets taken care of soon.

     

    It would be nice if an Adobe rep would make a statement about the status of Clip Markers. It's not like it's one or 2 of us here that are discgruntled and Im sure they are aware of it. Someone should step up and say 'hey we made a mistake, we'll get it fixed" or "its staying the way it is and go to Media Composer because we are Adobe we can do what we want and if you don't like it tough S@#%"

     
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    Aug 25, 2012 3:14 PM   in reply to Shane P

    @ Kevin Monahan - Can you please answer the question that rmartin215 asked? Is it ever going to be repaired?

     
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    Aug 26, 2012 8:44 AM   in reply to Shane P

    Shane P wrote:

     

    @ Kevin Monahan - Can you please answer the question that rmartin215 asked? Is it ever going to be repaired?

     

    There has been a lot of threads about clip markers since CS6 was shipped. I remember in one of those threads Kevin mentioned that, the way the clip markers were in the previous versions will not be returning.

     
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    Aug 26, 2012 11:14 AM   in reply to srukweza

    Unreal...looks like its time to do a 30 day trial and see how it goes.

     

    Thank you for the response.

     
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    Aug 26, 2012 2:43 PM   in reply to srukweza

    the way the clip markers were in the previous versions will not be returning.

     

    That's very disappointing if true.

     
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    Aug 27, 2012 9:04 PM   in reply to rmartin215

    What is wrong is the way which must the mark be put. You must put the mark with the footage at the monitor source, and not when the footage is inside a sequence. Put the mark before to put the footage there. Do the following!

     

    • Put the mark with the footage at the source monitor.

    • Edit the mark and put a name in it. And other marks you wanna put it too.

    • To synchronize with another, do the same thing as the steps above and edit the mark name with the same name you put the mark at the previous footage you want to sync.

    • Put the footages inside a sequence. Select all and put to synchronize.

    • The option "Clip Mark will be available. The option will search for clip marks with the same name. regardless it is a number or a name. Being the same and in commom with all footages. they will be shown at the list.

    • Select the mark you want to syncrhonize and see the result.

     

     

    Take care!

     

    Calebe S. Rosa

     
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    Aug 28, 2012 4:18 PM   in reply to rmartin215

    Actually, you CAN add clip markers directly on a sequence. It's just not on the menus. You'll have to bind a keyboard shortcut to the "Add Clip Marker" command. It will work on a single selected clip only, not groups. Instructions here:

     

    http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/markers.html#id_55328

     

    Why this feature wasn't turned on by default is beyond me, but hey, at least it can be done.

     
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    Aug 28, 2012 4:24 PM   in reply to Neil_CBR

    Unfortunately, that's the only thing we can still do with clip markers in the sequence.  And it's not enough.  I want to move them, clear them and navigate to them in the sequence as well, just like we used to do.

     
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    Aug 28, 2012 5:51 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim,

     

    Hear, hear!

     

    Hunt

     
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    Oct 18, 2012 5:01 PM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    I just had to jump in a project with CS6 where I went to go use clip markers and thought I was turning into an idiot because I couldnt find the "set next available numebred" function. And lo and behold I find out they removed it? Are you frekaing kidding me? WHY?

     

    Seriously please anyone from Adobe give me a god's honest good reason what made you think this was a good idea?

     

    Is this some sort of conspiracy where youre in cahoots with the people that make Pluraleyes to force us to buy their software when we need to sync audio? I mean really why can I not mark the freaking clips so i can easily sync without having to eyeball it over and over?

     

    Wow...

     
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    Oct 19, 2012 4:19 PM   in reply to VidNoob

    VidNoob wrote:

     

     

     

    Is this some sort of conspiracy where youre in cahoots with the people that make Pluraleyes to force us to buy their software when we need to sync audio? I mean really why can I not mark the freaking clips so i can easily sync without having to eyeball it over and over?

     

    Wow...

    You can say that again!

     

    Watch out this video

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 11:58 AM   in reply to Kevin Monahan

    I'd just like to add my voice to the chorus here - namely that Marker functionality for CS6 is extremely lacking, and has made my workflow for various tasks much longer and more tedious.

     

    In my case I'm trying to match professional footage of a concert with audience-submitted cell phone footage. The pro footage can't be synced with the non-pro footage via Pluraleyes because the cell phone audio is way too high to be analyzed properly. Hence I need to manually sync, which I can't do efficiently because I can't put clip markers on the pro footage once it's synced in pluraleyes and sent back into Premiere, because it only exists in a sequence.

     

    I have no idea why Adobe would remove a function used daily by its editors, one that was simple and reliable, for no reason.

     

    And what's puzzling is that there's been not even an acknowledgement of the issue from anyone at Adobe for 8 months.

     

    This doesn't make any sense. Usually customer service from Adobe is much better than this. Why no action on this one issue?

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 12:05 PM   in reply to TrueFriction

    Explain your problems with markers in this feature request form: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

     

    Sorry, that's all I can offer you.

     

    TrueFriction wrote:

     

    I'd just like to add my voice to the chorus here - namely that Marker functionality for CS6 is extremely lacking, and has made my workflow for various tasks much longer and more tedious.

     

    In my case I'm trying to match professional footage of a concert with audience-submitted cell phone footage. The pro footage can't be synced with the non-pro footage via Pluraleyes because the cell phone audio is way too high to be analyzed properly. Hence I need to manually sync, which I can't do efficiently because I can't put clip markers on the pro footage once it's synced in pluraleyes and sent back into Premiere, because it only exists in a sequence.

     

    I have no idea why Adobe would remove a function used daily by its editors, one that was simple and reliable, for no reason.

     

    And what's puzzling is that there's been not even an acknowledgement of the issue from anyone at Adobe for 8 months.

     

    This doesn't make any sense. Usually customer service from Adobe is much better than this. Why no action on this one issue?

     

    BTW, if you want to add Clip Markers to clips in the Timeline, you can set a keyboard shortcut for that.

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 12:11 PM   in reply to Kevin Monahan

    Thank you Kevin, I have submitted a form, let's hope your co-workers figure something out and make your life easier.

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 2:59 PM   in reply to TrueFriction

    Sure, I'll follow up with the team and make sure they know about these gaps in marker capability. I'm sure they already know, but I'll double check.

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:06 PM   in reply to Shane P

    Shane P wrote:

     

    And not for nothing, Kevin Monohan disappeared and never followed up?

     

    Shane,

    By the way, this is a user forum and most of the answers you get are from other users. Adobe employees do wander in here sometimes, though. Please do not count on a response from Adobe in every instance. Your official channel to communicate with the product team is via the feature request/bug form: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

     

    I'm here most of the time, but keep in mind that the reason I might not answer or follow up is more likely that the post dropped off my radar or disappeared off the first few pages of the forums. It is not because I'm trying to avoid controversy.

     

    If you want my attention to an old post, it is better to send me a PM to make sure I see that my response is requested. I'll do my best to assist you then.

     

    Thanks.

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:10 PM   in reply to rmartin215

    I recieved this solution after filling out a request form, it worked for me:

     

    The ability to add clip markers wasn't removed in CS6, however the way that you apply them was. Clip markers are applied in the Source panel. If you have a specific frame selected for a clip in the timeline, use the Match Frame keyboard shortcut (F) to open the clip in the Source panel and press the M key (or click the add marker button). Otherwise, navigate the clip directly within the Source panel and add your markers as needed.

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:19 PM   in reply to TrueFriction

    Instead of speeding up your workflow  adding clip markers appears to have additional moves as compared to CS5.

     

    BTW why is the forum italic?

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:22 PM   in reply to TrueFriction

    TrueFriction wrote:

     

    I recieved this solution after filling out a request form, it worked for me:

     

     

    The ability to add clip markers wasn't removed in CS6, however the way that you apply them was. Clip markers are applied in the Source panel. If you have a specific frame selected for a clip in the timeline, use the Match Frame keyboard shortcut (F) to open the clip in the Source panel and press the M key (or click the add marker button). Otherwise, navigate the clip directly within the Source panel and add your markers as needed.

     

     

    Hey, that's pretty cool.

    I guess it didn't mention that you can add a keyboard shortcut for adding Clip Markers right in the Timeline, but you can.

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:24 PM   in reply to srukweza

    srukweza wrote:

     

    Instead of speeding up your workflow  adding clip markers appears to have additional moves as compared to CS5.

     

    BTW why is the forum italic?

     

    Not really, after you set up a keyboard shortcut, you can quickly add markers to clips.
    The forum is not in italics, but your post was. Rather odd.

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:24 PM   in reply to Kevin Monahan

    So this whole freaking time all we had to do was make sure the source window was selecting when pressing M to get the marker directly on the clip? Wow...

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:28 PM   in reply to TrueFriction

    I recieved this solution after filling out a request form, it worked for me:

     

    That's fine for setting a Clip Marker.  You can also activate the keyboard shortcut for adding one right in the sequence.

     

    The larger issue with CS6 is that we can no longer navigate to clip markers directly in the sequence.  That ability has been removed entirely, and is sorely missed.

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:27 PM   in reply to VidNoob

    VidNoob wrote:

     

    So this whole freaking time all we had to do was make sure the source window was selecting when pressing M to get the marker directly on the clip? Wow...

     

    Yup. I also wrote this Help article just after release: http://helpx.adobe.com/content/help/en/premiere-pro/using/markers.html #id_55328

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:28 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim Simon wrote:

     

    I recieved this solution after filling out a request form, it worked for me:

     

    The larger issue with CS6 is that we can no longer navigate to clip markers directly in the sequence.  That ability has been removed entirely, and is sorely missed.

     

    I agree, that's not a good feature to lose. I let the team know about your requests, so they certainly know about the deficiency.

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:36 PM   in reply to Kevin Monahan

    Thanks.  Here's hoping enough people feel the same so the situation get's corrected.

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:35 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim Simon wrote:

     

    The larger issue with CS6 is that we can no longer navigate to clip markers directly in the sequence.  That ability has been removed entirely, and is sorely missed.

    Correct. Clip markers that cannot be navigated to are pretty useless. That'e one of the main checkmarks on my list AGAINST using Premiere Pro.

     
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:39 PM   in reply to Zooropa75

    Clip markers that cannot be navigated to are pretty useless.

     

    I know, right?  This is definitely a half-feature without that easy navigation in the sequence.  It's like a car without an engine.  It'll roll on it's wheels if you push it, and eventually get you where you need to go, but man it sure takes more effort than it should to get that car going without an engine to drive it.

     
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