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How to remove dark spot in the middle of a 3D sphere?

Aug 19, 2012 5:10 AM

Tags: #illustrator #problem #adobe #effects #3d #path #dark #tool #spot #objects #ugly #revolve #shere

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Everytime I make a sphere, even if I restart illustrator and make a new document, I get that ugly dark spot in my image. I don't know what the heck it is!

 

I've tried everything I could think of to get rid of it, but I can't seem to.

 

The way I made the shere was by taking an elipse, making it into a perfect circle and then using the scissor tool to make it into a half-circle, then using the Effect>3D>Revolve Menu option to generate a sphere.

 

What is wrong here?

 
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    Aug 19, 2012 7:17 AM   in reply to Nictra_Savios

    I followed just for fun this tutorial:

     

    http://www.perpetualvisions.com/articles-and-graphics/tutillcs-spheres .htm

     

    Everything works as expected, but I'm using CS2.

     

    Plastic shading (default) works as well, but looks ugly.

     

    Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann (not an AI expert)

     

    Sphere.png

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 9:30 AM   in reply to Nictra_Savios

    Not sure, but there might be something wrong with your construction method.

    Have you tried constructing your half circle another way?

    Draw a circle using the Ellipse tool with Shift held down.

    Then direct select and delete the left-hand anchor. No need for scissors.

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 9:44 AM   in reply to Nictra_Savios

    I know what ius causing this and how to fix it but I am surprised you haven't figured it out because you would have had to deliberately added a new fill and use the Effect>Convert to Shape>Ellipse somewhere in the recent past.

     

    First go the appearance panel from the fllyout menu check New Art Has Basic Appearance. Then stay with the Appearance panel select the that you have the 3D revolved applied to  andd delee the top fill. Tou definitely have two fills applied and the top one has the Effect>Convert to Shape>Ellipse applied to it. Otherwsie this would not happen.

     

    Screen Shot 2012-08-19 at 12.36.09 PM.png

     

    With the top fill deleted

     

    Screen Shot 2012-08-19 at 12.36.24 PM.png

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 10:36 AM   in reply to Nictra_Savios

    What the heck have these two examples in #3 common with a

    rendered sphere (plastic or diffuse rendering)?

    That's just graphical nonsens, in my humble opinion.

     

    Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 11:10 AM   in reply to Gernot Hoffmann

    genot

     

    They are 3D shpere renedered in Illustrator that s what they have in common!

     

    To the OP please select your object and then show your appearance panel while the object is still selected.

     

    It would bee hard to tell what your appearance for the object is if it is not selected

     

    Like such see the pth is selected that shows the actual appearance of the object.

     

    Screen Shot 2012-08-19 at 2.08.34 PM.png

     

    Do you undersand now Gernot?

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 2:13 PM   in reply to Nictra_Savios

    You clearly have the 3D Effect applied to the layer and not to the contents of the layer.

     

    look a little deeper and you will see the problem click on the contents whie the object is selected and see what you have there.

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 2:31 PM   in reply to Nictra_Savios

    Nictra Savios, others,

     

    This may be irrelevant, but the black spot is a bit irregular and off centre; the highlight is also irregular, and there is a blue square a distance to the right from the centre (inside the edge of the highlight (lower right)).

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 4:41 PM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    Jacob: That little blue square right of centre must be the centre point of the half circle. I can't replicate the black spot on CS3.

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 8:15 PM   in reply to Nictra_Savios

    Yes, using your dimensions I get the same result. CS5 Mac 10.6.8.

     

    Peter

     

    Edit: The phenomenon kicks in at 1866 pt.

     

    Edit: Except when it's a higher value than that. The shape of the spot varies. Spot grows toward a circle as diameter increases.

     

    3D revolve sphere.pngThese are both at a diameter of 1866 pt., with default 3D revolve settings. Half-circle has black fill, no stroke.

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 9:14 PM   in reply to tromboniator

    I got the same behavior on Windows with CS5. Changing the perspective to anything but 0 fixes the problem.

     

    edit: In dedicated 3D programs this happens when the size of the object extends beyond the camera position  (point of view) which location becomes inside the object. The weird spot is a cross section of the object with the plane of the camera.

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 10:23 PM   in reply to Nictra_Savios

    I want to see a screenshot of the object slected and the contents of the olayer visible in the Appearance panel, I say you havce another effect applied at the object level and not at the layer level.

     

    It kicks in at 1866 pts Really in orderr to get something the size of the OP's screen shot it would have to be something like 60 Inches.

     

    I say hey have another effect applied.

    If not then they haven't told us much and it seems odd that they showed us in the OP the 3D window without the preview checked and the Appearance panel with out a selection.

     

    Then they show us a sscreen with it selected but only show us the effect applied to the layer but not what is applied to the object and then the reponse to you query is evasive.

     

    So I have doubts about this if you can see my point.

     

    Let them post the dimensions along with everything else and then we can see what is causing this rather than hide the info we need.

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 10:29 PM   in reply to Wade_Zimmerman

    I know a way to see what is going on let the Op post the file some were so we can download it and take a look for ourselves.

     
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    Aug 20, 2012 12:27 AM   in reply to Wade_Zimmerman

    3D Revolve Options.png

     

    Emil's right, even a slight perspective change cures it, and resetting the perspective value a few times even lets you bring it back to zero without the return of "The Blob."

     
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    Aug 20, 2012 4:34 AM   in reply to tromboniator

    I stand Corrected te user should have stated that they were applying this to a very large path.

     
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    Aug 20, 2012 4:40 AM   in reply to Wade_Zimmerman

    BTW even a .001 change in the perspective eliminates the circle and it will but it will read as being set to zero.

     

    Screen Shot 2012-08-20 at 7.36.23 AM.png

     

    this is the part of the OP that is misleading

     

    Everytime I make a sphere,

     
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    Aug 20, 2012 7:12 PM   in reply to Nictra_Savios

    I got distracted by Gernot's comments and did not notice the 2000 pt dimension.

     

    I believe this is a known issue, however even if you pointed out that you need a 2000 pt size I think your first comment made me think this was not just this time but all the time regardless of what size you use.

     

    So true I could have read it better but perhaps you could have clarified it as well.

     

    You will find on the forum that some of the contributers relate to soem posters and not to tohers this goes for the two that were able to asisst you as well, it is just a question of how each individual understands the others.

     

    I often relate to users that the other two do not and vice verse. Just the nature of the internet.

     

    And thaat does lead me to the same conclusion it leads you too I would be of little assistance to you as I will probably always read your posting in a different way that you intend it to be read.

     

    No doubt in my opinion that you are correct avbout this I will definitely not comment on your postings regardless of the nature of it. I will post to threads tht are not posted by you even if your are contributing.

     

    All the best to you

     
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