Okay, I think I'm getting closer here, but still not getting to the end goal.

hmm... I don't see AVI or UT listed anywhere in the settings list or in the list of options for previews.  And... does this setting enable you to export a full edit without a complete re-render every time?  If So, what sequence settings are you using?  What preview settings are you using?  And what Export settings are you using?

Because I've tried about a dozen combinations so far, and every single time Premiere re-renders the entire edit from scratch.  It seems like there is some razor-thin combination to use to achive what is essentially native in the workflow in FCP.  I'm just trying to find what the settings are to enable that workflow.

Thanks, but it still doesn't work.  Just made a sequence using the UT codec.  Took a small portion of my edit (49 seconds) and added it to the new UT codec sequence.

Rendered the Colorista effects which took 5 minutes.

Export Media (use sequence settings checked).... it took 5 mintues to export

Export Media (use sequence settings, use previews) ... it took 5 minutes to export.

What do I need to do so that the export uses the already rendered previews and takes seconds.  I can't fathom what someone working on a 30 minute edit would do if they had to change a single shot and wait 6 hours for a new master to process out.... ever single time.  There has to be a procedure to do this otherwise Premiere is useless in a production environment.  And obviously it's not... people are using it, but that means they've figured this one aspect out and it's not clearly documented.

The 3-way color correct pretty much plays in real time to begin with, but I "rendered" the enitre 49 second test edit anyway to be say.  It took 65 seconds.

Exporting... took about 65 seconds.  So I'm still seeing the same thing.  the effect is faster, but Premiere is still completely re-rendering the entire timeline everytime I export

Realistically, it shouldn't be a Colorista issue though... it shouldn't be any plugin issue.  Once rendered, Premiere should ( I would hope) treat it as finished ready to go footage that is natively looking like the final effect and essentially ignore the original footage unless you add another effect or change an effect.

But it seems like render your clips are never used beyond temporary playback and never used to improve the workflow process

Am I getting a different result then everyone else... that when you export media it's a quick export... or is it the same as me and it re-render all of your effects and take longer to export the the actual real time playback (minimum) or MUCH longer if you have even basic effects?

I'm still at a bit of a loss here.  I've tried this under every combination of having sequcence settings matched, not matched, use previews checked and unchecked.  I've tried ARRI, AVCHD, ProRes, XDCAM, every single combination causes premiere to completely re-render the entire edit when I "Export/Media".

I'm on a mac... is this a mac only thing?  And it's just that Mac version of Premiere can't be used proffesionally?  As an example if you have a 30 minute edit, and need to change a lower 3rd, and export out the change, it would take hours because the export would be re-rendering every graphic and effect for the entire show.... ever, single time.  This is a huge barrier to using premiere in a work environment.

CompuNovice... that sounds reasonable to me though.  You're actually compressing the footage in a VBR-2pass Mpeg-2.  And it's still running at almost reall time.

As for Colorista brining exports to a crawl... not in FCP.  Once you've rendered... you've renderd.  I can open up my edit and export a "same as edit" formated video in about 2 minutes for a 30 minute edit (without compressing it).  So that's not a Colorista thing... it's a premiere thing.

The PC I have available has Dual Quadro cards, but being a PC there are some nice plugins that I like to use that aren't available which is why I usually stay on my 6 month old Mac.

That beings said, you've mentioned what your source material is, but....

- What is the codec and settings you're using for your sequence

- What is the codec and settings that you're using for previews.

- When you export it sounds like you do not check "sequence settings" or "Use previews".  If you don't compress to a new format, are you able to get to a fast export?  I.E. Faster then real time.  If so, what are your export settings?

I haven't had a chance to try these setting out yet.

But to answer your other questions, I'm running a QuadCore i7 2.5Ghz with 8 GB of ram.

I think premiere does have better methods of dealing with Ram and calculations and the ability to play things as you work then FCP7.  (I.E. having to render everytime you change something in FCP so that it will even play).  However... on this machine, I've exported 10 minute edit sequences that have numerous plugins such as colorista in about 20 seconds with FCP7  .  Similar sequences in Premiere consistantly take 2 hours (with Colorista and other such plugins).

Now, in FCP7 that's exporting an edit that is the same as the sequence setting.  If I chose something else, there is obviously an encoding step that takes a few minutes.  Usually at or around the actual length of the video.  (9 minutes for a 10 minute edit).  But as I said, my issue is that FCP can export a full edit without re-rendering all of the "effects", premiere seems that it can't.

Of course, if I don't have any effects in premiere or use very 'light' effects, it processes so fast that a 10 minute edit exports in 5 to 8 mintues... but that's not what I'm looking to solve.

I almost always try to export a current "Master" of any edit so that if I need to encode multiple formats later, I can just drop that single clip into Sorenson or MediaEncoder to batch multiple formats.  And considering the constant re-render of complex video effects in premiere, it's an absolute necessity it seems.

Chesnut,

Glad to hear I'm not nuts.  I think the thing that was throwing me off (when looking for an answer) was that most premiere users have adapted to leaning more heavily on the real-time effects.  And of course, Adobe is highlighting the speed of Cuda... which does little for me on a Macbook pro... not until they come out with a laptop quadro version anyway.

Unfortuanetly, I'm in the boat of needing to regularly do tweaks and export new edits.  And nothing is more agravating then going from a FCP workflow where doing a tweak and exporting a new edit can take as little as 3 minutes.  But doing it in Premiere will now take 90 minutes each time.

I agree, there are great features in premiere, but I know that I'll always be in a position where I'll get a last minute call to fix a title and quickly get a new edit out... this just won't cut it.

So I found another post of someone trying to dig into this.  It's older, but it laid out the issue very nicely.  I'm really hoping that Adobe is planning on addressing this, because it's a hole big enough for a Semi-truck to drive through.

The other blog was doing something similar to my situation which was using MagicBullet plugins.  These seem to be the cause, but none the less, it's how Adobe uses pre-renders... doesn't that is the real problem.  The chart of render vs export times tells the story.

(this is from, http://uniquedesigners.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/premiere-pro-cs6-rende r-export-times/)

This is for a 3 minutes sequence.  As you can see, once you edit on a non-Premiere package, exports fly.  And if you re-edit a small clip (changing a title for example).  The re-render is only for that tiny section, and an export will take less then a minute.  For Premiere you have to render... every.... single... time.  Please Adobe, please fix this.

Is that the new (not yet released) Premeire?