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Typeface choice gone

Sep 12, 2012 8:38 PM

The Advanced Editor window has experienced some changes today. One of the unwanted ones is that the hability to choose typefaces is gone, or extremely well hidden.

 
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    Sep 13, 2012 9:14 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    I don't know about you, but I think this a great improvement. Typographic consistancy greatly improves readability in documents.

     
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    Sep 13, 2012 10:36 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    Have you tried the page magnification? This can be done by pressing cmd/ctrl and the plus symbol.

     

    I don't have a problem, but that's just my young eyes. I can definitely understand how many users could have an issue with this.

     
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    Sep 13, 2012 6:02 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    Font choice has been removed by the last forum "upgrade" last week.  But it seems that users can still play with fonts if they have enough imagination; see http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1065852

     
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    Sep 13, 2012 6:29 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    I think the point of removing font choice is to make the forum look more uniform.  It doesn't help you if you can make your own post look more legible; other users' posts will still be different.

     

    I for one am glad that users can no longer post technical questions in Comic Sans…

    (But they can still color their post in pink, if they are so inclined!)

     
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    Sep 13, 2012 9:03 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    Claudio González wrote:

     

    More uniform: remove different backgrounds for different casts.

    Agreed.

     

    Remove colour from badges.

    Agreed.

     

    Don't allow URLs or email addresses as screen names.

    Agreed.

     

    Limit the length of screen names.

    Agreed.

     

    Claudio González wrote:

     

    Remove bold, italics, underlining and strikethrough.

    For me, these emphasis tools are useful.

     

    I cannot understand why removing font choice makes these forums look more unifom if coloured text is still allowed...

    Indeed.  However, it was just my own interpretation that they wanted to achieve a more uniform look; the "designers" do not share their motivation with us, not do they seem to consult anyone.  It is quite possible that they change things just for the pure fun of it...

     
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    Sep 14, 2012 7:31 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    It is very unfortunate that some remote designers' "vision" is more important than active forum users' wishes.

     
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    Sep 16, 2012 9:14 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    Claudio, I was once critical of your choice to edit your posts to forcibly use Verdana, but I have started to come 'round.  I'm sorry for any criticism you may have felt from me in the past (though to be accurate I was arguing at the time in favor of a better font than the current Adobe-Clean that is in use here).

     

    Adobe-Clean is a poorly designed font to be the public face of a computer software company, because, well, it's just bad for use to express high tech stuff, and it's not even properly being displayed by the forum software (italics are botched by Typekit for all Internet Explorer browsers, which instead just the skew the Normal face to oblique).  Consider this text in both Regular and Italic variants:

     

     

    With Adobe-Clean regular, it's fairly easy to \see\ which of |these| things is /surrounded/ by what kinds of special characters (backslash, vertical bar, forward slash)...

     

     

    When italics are used, it's not quite /so/ terribly |easy| to pick \out\ the differences, however.

     

     

    For you, Claudio, I have attempted to use HTML to format the majority of this post in Verdana.  Whether I have succeeded will be revealed after posting.

     

    Verdana.png

     

    -Noel

     
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    Sep 16, 2012 3:50 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    Understood completely.  We also often say "you little devil" when recognizing someone for being tricky or cunning.

     

    Another thing I've noticed, and it's not limited to Adobe's font, but it DOES make a difference under some conditions, is that the Italic Adobe-Clean font seems more compressed horizontally than its Regular counterpart.  While aesthetically unpleasing to me, this could make readability of some things difficult.  Consider:

     

    Adobe Clean:

    1,000,000,000,000 - One billion

    2,000,000,000,000 - Two billion

    3,000,000,000,000 - Three billion

     

    Folks using Internet Explorer will not see the actual italic Adobe-Clean font, and because (for whatever reason) it just skews the font the character width is consistent.  But those using Firefox or Safari (and possibly others), they see a slightly different width in the italics.  Maybe that's reasonable for a font for a book, but for high tech work?

     

    Verdana:

    1,000,000,000,000 - One billion

    2,000,000,000,000 - Two billion

    3,000,000,000,000 - Three billion

     

    -Noel

     
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    Sep 16, 2012 4:44 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel,

     

    OT - are you using the by the minute "US Debt Clock" there... ?

     

    Hunt

     
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    Sep 16, 2012 4:52 PM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    Yeah, except I don't think I put in enough zeros.

     

    Had a start just now - thought I'd seen something get fixed, in that I was actually seeing Adobe-Clean Italic up above, but then I realized I had just left Firefox running and didn't look at the Title Bar closely enough.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Sep 16, 2012 9:27 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel Carboni wrote:

     

    I have attempted to use HTML to format the majority of this post in Verdana.

    The easiest way to force formatting into posts is by using an external editor (Word, Illustrator, …), format it the way you like it, then copy/paste it into the forum editor.

     

    P.S. I am using Calibri for this post.

     
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    Sep 17, 2012 7:04 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    This is just a test to see if posting in the HTML editor makes a difference or not.   This is the much maligned Comic Sans.

     
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    Sep 17, 2012 7:34 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    You tell me:

     

    Picture 34.png

     

    It apparently depends on what viewer you are using—or something. 

     
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    Sep 17, 2012 7:37 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    That was in Safari.  Firefox shows me Verdana in that post #19 and in your post #20, Claudio.

     

    Go figure…

     

    Yes, I deleted what had been my post #20 as soon as I saw the different behavior in different browsers.

     
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    Sep 17, 2012 7:42 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    This is what Firefox is showing me now

     

    Picture 35.png

     
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    Sep 18, 2012 4:51 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    I see what Claudio sees in post #25.

     

    And it is quite disturbing to write in Times. It even applies to the Advanced Editor.

     
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    Sep 18, 2012 10:32 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    Note that half the fonts people are trying to use here - e.g., Calibri - don't come out right on an iPhone either.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Sep 18, 2012 6:05 PM   in reply to station_two

    station_two wrote:

     

    This is just a test to see if posting in the HTML editor makes a difference or not.   This is the much maligned Comic Sans.

    It makes a big difference (in certain browsers) if you spell the font name correctly or not.

     

    <span style="font-family: ComicSansMS;"> ≠ <span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;">

     
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    Sep 18, 2012 11:58 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    Claudio González wrote:

     

    Regardless, why do I see the quoted message in what looks like Times?

    I believe that when the browser does not recognize a font, it will display the text in the browser's default font.

     

    Below I will type something in OCR A Extended; most likely you will see the same Times font:

     

    The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

     
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    Sep 19, 2012 4:45 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    Claudio,

     

    I apologize for my lack of vigilance.

     

    Pat is right, and there is even more to it:

     

    When you write your posts, normally or in the advanced editor, you see the default font in your browser.

     

    So it is (only) possible to change the look of post writing by changing the browser default.

     

    I had overlooked the fact because the forum uglifies the font at the rather small font size and (maybe even more) because I have been too busy (and too slow) to notice that I was actually seeing the fairest font, which I have as the default; I should have realized (I hope), had I used certain characters.

     

    Now I am quite enjoying it.

     

    But it seems that each post gets transformed intto the forum font, unless specifically coded.

     

    Presumably, a coded post with a non default font get transformed into the available default font of its kind (serif/sans serif/whatever).

     
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    Sep 19, 2012 8:26 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    I fully understand your points, Claudio, but there seem to be some differences in the way things work, whatever it depends on.

     

    For me, the window opens right on top of what I am trying to read. I thought they had implemented the EAM (Eyetracking Annoyance Maximizer) as a special service to the whole community, but maybe you have the TLC version.

     
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