I've been playing with Prelude on a new project, looking to add more metadata for when the time comes to edit.
I've been adding comments to clips (as suggested in the adobe video tutorials!) and those comments are apearing in the clips in Pr as expected..... but I can't find any way to search for them. How can I search the clip metadata added by Prelude in Pr?
Prelude has been a super addition to the workflow, but Premiere now lags behind it in the metadata utilization arena.
I was surprised that Premiere has such a simple and unrefined search - especially now that Prelude is sending over tons of data attached to the media. As far as I know, you can't do searches based on the data in the comments.
I envision a workflow someday where we are able to add a ton of metadata to the media - such as the ability to add multiple tags, comments, ratings, flags and labels etc in Lightroom/Aperture for still images - and Premiere would be able to create smart folders, boolean searches and stacking in order to have super fast access with detailed organization of the media at our fingertips.
For now, Prelude is doing a lot of talking, but Premiere can't hear it.
Thanks - that's what I've been finding. I guess we're going to have to wait for another paid upgrade (6.5?) before Prelude and Premiere Pro talk properly. I wish Adobe would get their act together and release things that work together all at once instead of a staged release requiring several paid upgrade steps. < sigh >
I'm not at my CS6 machine right now, but in CS5.5, as long as the Comments column is displayed in the Project panel, a search will pick up the content of the Comments field. NB: the Comments column is not displayed in the Project panel by default.
@Jeff, Yes, this works, but alas the comments added to clips (key: 2) in Prelude don't appear to make it to the comment fields in Premiere Pro. Only those entered in the metadata dialog seem to be searchable.
I've been adding comments to clips (as suggested in the adobe video tutorials!) and those comments are apearing in the clips in Pr as expected
alas the comments added to clips (key: 2) in Prelude don't appear to make it to the comment fields in Premiere Pro
<Jeff tilts head to one side and makes a Scooby-Doo sound>
OK, I can't reconcile those 2 statements. Maybe more Scooby Snacks will help.
Have you used clip comments in Prelude?
While playing a clip (in Prelude) you can hit '2' on the keyboard and start typing a comment. This adds a comment field to the clip within a clip marker. You can add multiple comments/markers per clip if required, which is useful for marking several 'good' sections (sub clips) within longer clips.
These comments appear on the clip in the source monitor in Premiere Pro, but don't appear to be visible anywhere else in the Premiere Pro metadata panel or the Project panel (regardless of what fileds are made visible). They also do not appear to be searchable within Premiere Pro. So, adding comments to clips in Prelude is only useful if you then load all the clips, one-by-one, in to the source monitor in Premiere Pro, because that's the only place you can see them (although they do appear on the clip in the sequence too ). It's extra metadata that could make life a lot easier, if only it were searchable!
There are the 2 different kinds of "comments." The one with a field that can show up in the bins - as you said added in the metadata tab or directly in Premiere - and the one that ExactImage is talking about....the one that is super-awesome and one of the highlights of Prelude. But, alas, unsearchable in Premiere.
There is a fundamental difference in the designed function of clip markers and metadata. Clip markers are designed to denote clip events (where something should happen, like a cut or the addition of an effect), while metadata is designed to carry clip information (like comments, descriptions, date/time, etc.).
Still, being able to search the project bins in Pr for marker text would be a handy feature. It should include searching text in sequence markers as well.
You guys are correct that Premiere Pro CS6 does not have the ability to search for markers. Please do file a feature request if you have not already, it really helps our teams prioritize feature work. http://adobe.com/go/wish
Just want to clarify that you can not, in Premiere, search for metadata that was written in Prelude. Because it seems like the software is directly advertised to do so. Here is a quote from the Prelude product page on the Adobe website (http://www.adobe.com/products/prelude/workflow.html):
Metadata added to footage in Prelude makes it easier to find the footage whenever you need it. Finding footage you need later in the post-production process is fast, because you can use near-instant metadata searches rather than depending on slow and tedious manual scrubbing. And because the metadata entered in Prelude exists for the lifetime of the footage, you can easily search for footage at any time in the future, thereby increasing the lifetime value of any footage that is tagged and saved.
I understand that Markers and Metadata are not the same thing, but my question was in regards to being able to search through Metadata created by Prelude. It says on the Adobe site I referenced above that you can use near-instant metadata searches (metadata created by Prelude) to find footage in Premiere Pro. But from this forum it sounds like you can't, I've tested it myself and had no such luck. Just wanted some clarification that maybe it is a mistake in the writing on the Adobe page or perhaps I'm not doing it correctly. Unforunatley I have yet to find a tutorial on this process.
The only way I can search for any type of metadata in Premiere Pro is if I click on an individual clip in the media browser/source area and then search for a specific keyword. Perhaps this is what is meant by searching for footage but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I thought it meant you could search through many different files or entire folders for certain metadata. I think this is what Exact was hoping for in his original post.
Sorry Jim, I understand what you mean now. You can search through the clips you've already imported into Premiere through the Project panel. I was trying to search through the metadata search field. While this is very helpful when you've already brought in the desired clips you want to use, I was hoping there would be a way to search through large directories/entire drives for certain keywords either in the file name or in the metadata. I would see this as a huge benefit if you were looking for particular B-Roll in your entire library of footage without having to import it all into Premiere. I know you can do something similar in Bridge but Bridge doesn't seem to work too well with video footage for that, especially raw .MTS files used for AVCHD.
Just sent in a feature request to have clip marker comments added in Prelude searchable in Premiere Pro CS6 for a faster workflow. One workaround I did find is having Prelude open simultaneously while working in Premiere Pro. Prelude HAS the ability to easily seach for comment markers. Then I just take note of what the clip name is and find it in Premiere Pro. Not very elegant, but it defintley sped things up a bit for me after I spent so much time adding comment markers like "interesting shot...etc" in Prelude only to find out they're not searchable in Premiere! Go figure!!
**actually, what's fast too is to click, copy the name of the clip in Prelude and past that clip name into the search bar in Premiere! Now we're cooking with gas!.....(really cheesy I know. lol)
After finding out (painfully) all my logged/commented footage in Prelude is not searchable in Premiere Pro CS6, I created a workaround to fix this.
You can download an executable called ExifTool
Place the ExifTool.exe in the same directory as your footage.
Create a new text file in the same directory and enter this code:
exiftool "-LogComment<TracksMarkersComment" -ext xmp .\
save the file as "batch_markers.bat"
Double click the "batch_markers" file and it will pull all the marker comments created in Adobe Prelude and move them into the "Log Comments" section of the Dynamic Media Metadata. If you have multiple markers/comments it will separate the data with a comma.
In Premiere turn on the Project -> Metadata Display -> Dynamic Media - Log Comment
Now all your data is searchable in Premiere.