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After Effects & Premiere Pro...the order of creation.

Oct 18, 2012 12:48 PM

Tags: #adobe #video #after #effects #after_effects #premiere #editing #movie #clips #aftereffects #film #premierepro #filming

Hi

 

I am creating a 2-minute film for educational purposes. This film must contain effects using Adobe After Effects and be put together on Adobe Premiere Pro.

 

I have completed the filming, and now have all the individual clips ready for work.

 

So which order do I do the editing?

 

Put the clips together on Premiere, and then import the completed sequence into After Effects and add the effects?

 

OR

 

Put the effects on the individual clips using After Effects, and import these into Premiere Pro to create the sequence.

 

Please help, it's my first time using After Effects. I am learning the software. I am an expert on Premiere, but clearly lack editing + post production + effects on a larger scale.

 

Thanks.

 
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    Oct 18, 2012 1:26 PM   in reply to kazpar0071

    Edit first in PPro, then use Dynamic Link (I usually copy and then paste into AE.)

     
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    Oct 18, 2012 6:57 PM   in reply to kazpar0071

    Google is your friend. Here is some info you should read to learn more about the software you are using.

     

    http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premierepro/cs/using/WS318FB3AB-E1D1-40f7- 9FD9-BB04A6F6A465.html

     
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    Oct 18, 2012 11:25 PM   in reply to kazpar0071

    Aside from the general requirement to at least some sections of the help files, things are not that easy (from a workflow POV). There are several considerations to make here:

     

    • Is the piece FX centric or just some basic footage with perhaps some color correction and some text?
    • What format is the footage in?
    • Is sound involved?
    • Does my computer suck?

     

    Yes, of course, you're gonna need a basic cut to determine the "flow", but whether all that Dynamic Link stuff will work or if conventionally importing the raw clips is better, will depend on the above. Dynamic Link costs performance and requires lots of RAM, so it may not be the best way to work when you have tons of effects to begin with. Conversely, there could be issues with footage not appearing correctly or sound that works in premiere not coming over to AE. So after having read the pertinent help sections, do a little testing first before venturing on.

     

    Mylenium

     
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    Oct 18, 2012 11:57 PM   in reply to kazpar0071

    Hi,

     

    Sorry to hijack the thread, but I am also interrested here. Say the project is a full half hour show, and almost every shot will have composited characters in it, is it then best to do the compositing in AE first, and then cut all the edited clips together? I have a bad feeling I have asked this somewhere before, but being Friday (and still no sign of Junior Devereux's first tooth - other than the lack of sleep that is) I hope the oversight will be forgiven!

     

    Pierre

     
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    Oct 19, 2012 12:02 AM   in reply to Pierre Devereux

    You only want to work with frames that will be used in the final edit,

    right? If possible, lock the edit and then work on just the used

    frames in AE, either by rendering out the edit out of Premiere Pro (to

    a lossless, or close to lossless codec with minimal compression and

    maximum bit depth,) or by copying the sequences out of Premiere Pro

    and pasting them into AE (my preferred way of working.)

     
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    Oct 19, 2012 1:09 AM   in reply to Pierre Devereux

    What Jonas said. A locked cut with a little breathing room here and there would be best. Nobody wants to process footage that is then thrown away (though on big movies this happens all the time of course ). And good luck on the little monster and his teeth.

     

    Mylenium

     
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    Oct 19, 2012 2:54 AM   in reply to Pierre Devereux

    Pierre, in your case with smart time remapping involved in every miniature shot, I'm afraid, you have to start from AE...

     
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    Oct 19, 2012 4:54 AM   in reply to Mylenium

    The biggest challenge in any film project is telling the story you want to tell. Changing just the color of the background or the color grading on a shot can completely change the story it tells. This holds true just as much for a training video as for a dramatic piece. For example, I produced safety training films for large corporations under contract to fulfill OSHA requirements in the US. This was exacting work and the liability the companies had for accuracy and effectiveness was in the millions. We cut those projects very carefully making sure that the story was exactly the story we wanted to tell. Those films were never 'locked' until every graphic, sound effect, color correction, and shot told the story we wanted to tell. I was never smart enough to cut once, add effects once, then deliver the project.

     

    That windy explanation has a point. You have to give yourself room to edit, but you usually have not got the time or the budget to process every shot. Sometimes a story can be told in a single shot. In most cases a story is told by cutting several shots into several sequences are combined into acts that tell the story. Changing a single shot can change everything. Finding the balance is not a locked down formula, it's a learning process. The better you get at it the more likely you are to make a living and support a family making films. What's the best Editing / VFX / Sound Mixing / Color Correcting workflow? It's the one that gets you to the end of your project in the least amount of time with the least amount of work.

     

    That's my story and I'm sticken' to it.

     
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    Oct 19, 2012 12:26 PM   in reply to kazpar0071

    kazpar0071 wrote:

     

    Hi

     

    I am creating a 2-minute film for educational purposes. This film must contain effects using Adobe After Effects and be put together on Adobe Premiere Pro.

     

    I have completed the filming, and now have all the individual clips ready for work.

     

    So which order do I do the editing?

     

    Put the clips together on Premiere, and then import the completed sequence into After Effects and add the effects?

     

    Yes. In the Adobe video editing world, PPro is the centeral program. The other programs revolve around PPro. I don't know that it's logical. However, that's the reality of it. Unless you really like swimming against the current, start your editing process with PPro.

     
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    Oct 20, 2012 8:21 PM   in reply to cfg_2451

    kazpar0071

     

    I am a little guy who gets schooled quite a lot in these forums. However i do have a set of workflows that i stick to. I am sure my little 150-ish projects does not add up to most of the pros here but.........

     

     

    Video with some text and CC:

     

    1. cut in PPro

    2. CC and add text in AE.

    then export from PPro 80% of the time.

    3. Sb or SoundTrack Pro for sound

     

     

    GFX Heavy with some footage:

     

    1. Under 2mins of footage ALL AE

    Then Sb for sound

    2. Over 3min of footage PPro > AE for CC and GFX > PPro > Soundbooth (Sb)

     

    All GFX:

    AE > Sb

     

     

    4+mins of footage with heavy composite:

     

    PPro for the cut

    C4D for 3d modeling (CS6 does basic 3d text now)

    Back to PPro to ship the SEQ to AE 

    OBJ or tiff seq import of the c4d project into AE

    AE for CC and composite

    Export from AE lossless

    Close AE and DL (which is automtic) back to PPro

    Preview lossless export

    Fine tune look (magicbullet and others) in PPro

    Then its Sb once again.

     

     

    Its not set in stone. You have to determine the best way based on whats needed. In CS5 i would often use Apple Color for CC or for sound create a .mov for Protools instead of Sb. I have even committed the Adobe sin of using Motion instead of AE. (dont ask me why)

    I also write my workflow in a text doc along with any workarounds or problems i encounter and save the document to the clients folder if it strays from the usual. I actually highly reccomend that so you can go back into these notes to remember how you have handled previous projects and problems.

     

     

    cfg_2451

    I have always wondered why PPro was the central but it does make since. I thought CS6 would allow us to go from PPro > AE > Sb and out throught media encoder all dynamicly linked before MediaEncoder (ME). I wanted it to allow that chain and even back to PPro from SB instead of ME to be rendered and tweaked.

    And to sound completely crazy i would also like to be able to save in that chan at any point before ME.

     
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