I tried to use photomerge in Photoshop, and the results were ridiculous. I have a friend who has an iPhone, and I have an Android. He uses a simple panaroma tool on the iPhone, and I downloaded a photomerge app for the Android. The results were incredible.
I took a bunch of snapshots to see how Photoshop could handle it, and this is the laughable result: http://oi49.tinypic.com/de0get.jpg (notice all the banding).
First photoshop removes thumbnails, then no one can properly use the new oil painting filter, and then simple FREE apps for mobile phones outperform Photoshop.
Come on Adobe -- get it sorted.
There are so many dedicated application for stitching images together some free and others with modest cost. Improving photomerge to compete with those would be a very costly undertaking and would not improve Adobe bottom line. The bottom line seams to be what Adobe is all about these days
Photoshop CS2 Help says:
"Taking pictures for use with Photomerge:
Your source photographs play a large role in panoramic compositions. To avoid problems, follow these guidelines
when taking pictures for use with Photomerge:
Overlap images sufficiently Images should overlap by approximately 25% to 40%. If the overlap is less,
Photomerge may not be able to automatically assemble the panorama. However, keep in mind that the images
shouldn’t overlap too much. If images overlap by 70% or more, it can be difficult to work with them, and
blending may not be as effective. Try to keep the individual photos at least somewhat distinct from each other."
Adam, IMHO your photos are overlapping far too much.
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann
There more to it than just overlap . Exposure setting focal length and how well the lens is rotated about its nodel point play a big roll. Programs like PS Photomerge and Microsoft ICE can not even handle image taken with fisheye lens. A Fisheye lens is ideal for stitching spherical panoramas for you only need five images. You need a program like AutoPano Pro to do stitching well. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/5987164
Improving photomerge to compete with those would be a very costly undertaking and would not improve Adobe bottom line.
Don't really agree. It simply happened what always happens at Adobe. I distinctly remember those CS3 demo sessions where Photomerge was touted as the second coming and then nobody seemed to care because other features took precedence and fixes to this particular tool were put off cycle after cycle. Nothing unusual so far, but the bitter irony here is that with content aware tech in PS Adobe have everything at hand that should allow them to improve Photomerge as well. Well, at least in a way that avoids these crude errors.
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Mine doesn't do that. It always does a nice job blending the skies. Some quick examples of varying exposure levels across the exposure set...
It appears that in your image some of the basic features (such as vignetting reduction) were not selected by you or did not work.
What parameters did you choose when stitching? Did you ask it to blend the images and to correct Vignetting?
What kind of input are you providing? Raw files?
Do you have plenty of scratch disk space and other computer resources? Photomerge is intensive.
-Noel
And then there are results like these:
First PTAssempler stitch
View it with a pano viewer http://www.mouseprints.net/old/BigBen/PTViewer.html
Second Photomerge results
With all due respect, JJ, that Photomerge can be confused about where images overlap doesn't seem to be pertinent here.
I understand that you'd like to see Photoshop do even better. That's like Hot Dogs and Apple Pie. But it may not yet be appropriate to pile onto Adobe about this particular issue in this thread; we don't know whether the original poster has system problems or has just simply operated the software badly.
It's entirely possible the expectation here is that Photoshop is a "big button" program that just automates everything without having to engage the brain of the user, and we know very well that's not true. It's a professional app that can produce best-in-show results in the hands of an adept user.
-Noel
Noel I fully agree. There is no good reason for Adobe to want to compete with stitching applications. Photomergs works quit well when image are taken with normal lenses with stitching in mind. Where all images are exposed with same manual settings with good overlap and shot from the same point.
It would require a lot of work or a buyout to compete. Ether way it would cost Adobe a lot and not improve their bottom line. There is not that much of a marker for spherical panoramas.
It's entirely possible the expectation here is that Photoshop is a "big button" program that just automates everything without having to engage the brain of the user,
Nicely put.
I’m curious if the original poster will get back to this thread to concede that his criticism was unfounded.
Adam also generalizes, "no one can properly use the new oil painting filter". I haven't seen problems with that either.
I wonder how many people go through life thinking stuff just "doesn't work" when the stuff just requires a bit more care or finesse to use, and maybe a better cared-for computer system...
-Noel
Goin for some kinda abstract expressionism effect eh?
AFA the original post, I've never really used the photo merge route but use auto align and auto blend in CS3,5 and now 6 fairly frequently and I'm satisfied with the results. I think image prep is important as always to the end result (how old school!). I've also been getting aquainted with GigaPan Stitch along with their robot head. So far so good. I guess I fail on the mobile pano apps in that my cell is only used for actual phone calls (and the occasional reluctant text)...
Gernot ... my photos do NOT overlap too much. It's the job of the software to properly merge the photos. Adobe fails in this regard. And doesn't even fail a little -- it fails miserably. Please don't suggest it's the job of the photographer to make sure his or her photographs are taken at exactly the right width to overlap properly. The free apps for Android all could handle this seemlessly (read FREE apps) AND the iPhone now comes with a panaroma tool.
All of them handle photographs that are overlapping a little or a lot.
Try using HD images.
Just so you are aware, Noel, I am a Web Designer and front-end Web Developer by trade. I have been using Photoshop for over 10 years and started with Photoshop 5. I am very, very well versed in it. I have used Photomerge before on some images and it has worked well -- just as in the example you gave.
But it is not consistent, nor can it compete with free mobile app software.
I'm intrested to know how it would work for you if you took 7 or 8 HD images and tried to merge them. (P.S. If my scratch disk space is an issue, which it's not, then Photsohop ought to tell me that it can't properly complete the task because my disk space is low.)
I’m not a professional photographer but my camera creates 4000px by 3000px images and I have not had such issues with Photomerge yet.
Edit: Just did a test with ten images (4000x3000) and the result seems OK.
You still have not verified which exact settings you chose when the faulty results occured.
Adam,
an actual test, using CS2:
Nikon D5100
f=55mm
5 Images, automatically merged, total size (19464 x 3796) pixels.
Levels
Downsampled (1300 x 254) pixels
Smart Sharpen
JPEG
For wide angle shots without lens correction and /or queer perspective
situations it's necessary to prepare the automatic stitching by manual
adjustments and the result will not be as convincing.
Resumed: there may be better programs, but PhS - even my old CS2 -
works in certain limits reasonably.
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann
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AdamDux wrote:
Please take a series of 6 or 7 HD photos (3264x2448 for example) and let me know how it turns out. As mentioned, the free mobile apps can create a panorama in seconds and it's seamless.
I'm not interested in 72dpi 800x600 goofy images.
OK here is a Photomerge of 12 5MP portrait orientated images that is 360 from the top of the mount no sharpening no touch up or cropping. Please post an Image from your Android and iPhone the show something it this range 17256Px by 2689 Px some where like 57" x 9" at 300 dpi 6MB. Needs to be a link open in a new window or tab. Looking forward to seeing what your phones can do have you posted any full size example Please post one taken in portrait orientation for better panorama height.
http://www.mouseprints.net/old/dpr/Photomerg_Panorama.jpg
Here are 6 image processed with better software and some cover ups because boats were rocking.
Please take a series of 6 or 7 HD photos (3264x2448 for example) and let me know how it turns out.
Seems to work fine; the source images are 4000px by 3000px and the result is over 19000px wide, but that would still need some clipping.
In any case I used »Auto« for Layout and »Blend Images Together« was checked.
AdamDux wrote:
c.pfaffenbichler:
Please take a series of 6 or 7 HD photos (3264x2448 for example) and let me know how it turns out. As mentioned, the free mobile apps can create a panorama in seconds and it's seamless.
I'm not interested in 72dpi 800x600 goofy images.
Noel: Do the same.
"HD photos (3264x2448 for example)"? My images are 6144 x 4096 pixels at 16 bits/channel, Adam. I don't work with little stuff.
The wider panorama I showed above was from nine such images. Here's the result just after Photomerge completed, done with Cylindrical and Auto settings. Note the pixel dimensions listed for the stitching result.
Here are another couple of examples, including one that contains a lot of water, which is traditionally difficult for stitching software.
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Something's specifically wrong on your end if you're not getting good blending. Photoshop is clearly capable. Either you have a resource shortage or you're not using the right settings, or maybe your vignetting is so egregious it can't compensate (which you can fix by using appropriate settings in Camera Raw).
As far as I can see it's not important whether you have too much overlap.
Do you have literally hundreds of GB free on your scratch drive? Photomerge has been known to use that much. It used 91GB doing the above.
C:\TEMP>dir "photoshop temp*.*"
Volume in drive C is C - NoelC4 SSD
Volume Serial Number is 00ED-C11E
Directory of C:\TEMP
11/20/2012 11:25 AM 68,719,476,736 Photoshop Temp267498815588
11/20/2012 11:27 AM 22,401,777,664 Photoshop Temp269252225588
2 File(s) 91,121,254,400 bytes
0 Dir(s) 941,183,279,104 bytes free
I don't disagree with you that Photoshop should put up an appropriate error message if it aborts or degrades its operation because it runs short of resources.
-Noel
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