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1. grandpooba2,

Nov 23, 2012 11:39 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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Just to let you know as well the footage needs neat video since it was recorded in a dark room so there is a bit of grain.

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2. Bill Hunt,

Nov 23, 2012 3:37 PM in reply to grandpooba2

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A couple of questions first:

Is this an HD, or SD Project?

Not knowing Vegas, this is but a guess, you should be able to find the right Export Preset from Vegas, to get everything into PrPro, but that choice might differ, depending on the answer to the question above.

Good luck,

Hunt

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3. Jim Simon,

Nov 23, 2012 5:27 PM in reply to grandpooba2

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If it's only a few clips, it might be better to bring those originals into PP, apply Neat, export out and replace the originals In Vegas with the new cleaned up versions.

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4. grandpooba2,

Nov 23, 2012 7:36 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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It is Hd Bill. I did get the files into PPcs6 but they were missing a few text files and some audio was out of sync after the export. Also the quality after being asked to change settings for ppcs6 to the exported vegas files seemed abit sharper and grainier in ppcs6. Strange.

Jim it is two seperate files that are 40 mins long but they are all cut in a multitrack in vegas. The editor didn't understand that we had neat video only for PPcs6 ; )

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5. Bill Hunt,

Nov 23, 2012 7:49 PM in reply to grandpooba2

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Thank you.

For HD, I would look into either Lagarith Lossless, or UT Lossless, both free. Once installed, I would anticipate (have never used Vegas) that you can Export to one of those, for Import, with no loss in the quality. Now, why Vegas is loosing things, I cannot imagine, or address.

Good luck,

Hunt

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6. Preditor Corbett,

Nov 23, 2012 11:18 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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Tittles in most NLE's do not carry to another NLE's.

The Audio will need to be imported into Prcs6 and resynced.

However, there is a work around.

you SEQ is Synced in Vegas so just export a Lossless or DVCPro version. I believe that page up/down moves between edits.

Use this to Note your cut points.

Open premier and import the exported loosless file.

You can type the Timecode right into the marker position and use the blade to recut your edit points.

Then FINISH in Pr because there is no reason to use vegas over Pr. My assistant uses Vegas10 nicely at home but he uses Pr in the office.

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7. grandpooba2,

Nov 24, 2012 9:11 AM in reply to Preditor Corbett

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Thanx everyone. I will give these all a try and report back.

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8. Jim Simon,

Nov 24, 2012 9:12 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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Jim it is two seperate files that are 40 mins long but they are all cut in a multitrack in vegas.

Even more reason to do as I recommend.

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9. grandpooba2,

Nov 24, 2012 9:16 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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That is what I thought but the files are mt2 in vegas and I can't find a mt2 render extension in ppcs6 to drop over the originals in vegas for seamless export /import. I did find out guys that the export in vegas does not allow me to choose what codec I want to export to PPcs6. Go figure. LOL back to the boards again.Sad

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10. Jim Simon,

Nov 24, 2012 9:20 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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It doesn't necessarily need to be in the same codec and wrapper. In fact, it's better if it isn't because that would introduce another layer of compression. The UT codec in an AVI file is a good choice for this task.

I would assume Vegas has some capability to replace a clip in a bin with another clip. That's how you'd go about it.

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11. grandpooba2,

Nov 24, 2012 9:29 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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So I should render out AVI since vegas will not let me choose my codec to export? The footage looks a little more sharp and grainy when I export to ppcs6 via vegas's automatic setup.

But since the clips are multitrack cuts in vegas upon bring back in I would have to find each and everyone of those spots that were edited and resync them? If that was the case it would take a very long time to try to resync these.

I was under the assumption I could drop the new ppcs6 files back to vegas on each cut and they would resync. But If I remember right vegas upon dropping each one in reverts back to the beginning of the fil being dropped in losing sync of the actual cut spot. Hmmm.

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12. Richard M Knight,

Nov 24, 2012 9:34 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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Could you call the new treated file the same name as the old one and put it in the same directory then let Vegas use that instead? Copy and rename the old one first in case it all goes wrong. Make sure the new file is the same length as the old.

RMK

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13. grandpooba2,

Nov 24, 2012 9:37 AM in reply to Richard M Knight

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That is where I am headed now Richard. Thank you for that!! : )

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14. Jim Simon,

Nov 24, 2012 9:37 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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But since the clips are multitrack cuts in vegas upon bring back in I would have to find each and everyone of those spots that were edited and resync them?

No. If you replace the clip in the bin to use the new file, then every clip in a timeline would reflect that change.

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15. grandpooba2,

Nov 24, 2012 9:41 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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Thank you as well Jim. I am going to try this now. Question .The original clip I should copy to another location but why should I rename it? Vegas will upon opening the edit will ask for where this file is. If I just ask it to use another file instead (different name) should that be fine. Then if all goes wrong I can ask vegas to use the original file again?

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16. Jim Simon,

Nov 24, 2012 9:43 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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Sounds good to me.

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17. grandpooba2,

Nov 24, 2012 9:46 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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Also should I be exporting from PPcs6 as hdv m2t since the footage in vegas is just that or something else? Or just choose match settings? I would think vegas wants to see the same hdv but would accept anything. Just so I don't lose the quality. I hope. ; )

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18. Jim Simon,

Nov 24, 2012 9:48 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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Export out of PP to an AVI file using the UT codec (YUV420 option).

http://umezawa.dyndns.info/archive/utvideo/

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19. grandpooba2,

Nov 24, 2012 9:50 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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Thank you Jim so much. Going to have a go.

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20. Bill Hunt,

Nov 24, 2012 11:15 AM in reply to Preditor Corbett

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Tittles in most NLE's do not carry to another NLE's.

If one were trying to Import/Open the Vegas (or other) Project into PrPro, I could understand that.

However, if one is doing a full Export of the Timeline, to an "intermediate" AV file, the Titles, and any synthetic video, should be included in that Exported file. If they do not, then there is an issue with the NLE being used to Export.

In PrPro, the Titles are just XML code, within the PRPROJ (Project) file, but when one Exports, that XML code creates physical Titles, within the Exported AV file. Same for Black Video, Transparent Video, Color Mattes, etc..

Good luck,

Hunt

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21. grandpooba2,

Nov 25, 2012 4:52 PM in reply to Jim Simon

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I tried this a few times and the original file properties is this:

File Path: I:\Bri neat video\Clip 032.m2t

Type: MPEG Movie

File Size: 9.4 GB

Image Size: 1440 x 1080

Frame Rate: 23.976

Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - compressed - Stereo

Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Stereo

Total Duration: 00:49:42:21

Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.3333

But when I go to export the file out the source out goes to 720 rather than 1440. I can't seem to get this back to 1440 for the out. Strange.

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22. Bill Hunt,

Nov 25, 2012 5:52 PM in reply to grandpooba2

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What is the Export Preset that you are choosing (sounds like it might be a DV Export), and what are the setting in that Preset?

Good luck,

Hunt

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23. grandpooba2,

Nov 25, 2012 7:20 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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Its the yuv420 you sent me. Avi ut file. Settings keep changing to 720 as i choose avi then the 420. Sorry not in front of machine.

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24. Jim Simon,

Nov 25, 2012 7:43 PM in reply to grandpooba2

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Unchain the two resolutions, then set them to what you need.

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25. grandpooba2,

Nov 28, 2012 8:06 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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Thanx Jim. I did get it to work this way. Only thing is it was a bit tight on the screen edges for a widescreen. I believe the original was 1440x1080 x 24 and the one that PPcs6 exported was 1440x1080x 12. I don't know how you can change the end from 12 to 24 if this makes any sense. I need to learn what this is. ; )

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26. Jim Simon,

Nov 28, 2012 8:11 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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I don't know what the 12 and 24 stand for.

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27. grandpooba2,

Nov 28, 2012 8:27 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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I am not alone LOL. That was the only attribute that was diff between the two making me think that is why the widescreen was croped abit tighter than the original. Hmmm. Or just vegas being well...vegas. More research I guess on that one. You rock Jim!! : )

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28. Jim Simon,

Nov 28, 2012 8:30 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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Where did you see the 12 and 24, in the PP export settings? In Vegas? Somewhere else?

Done correctly, there should be no difference with cropping between the original and the export.

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29. grandpooba2,

Nov 28, 2012 8:31 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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It's the color bit-depth of the image from what I just found here. http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/what-happens-vegas/493267-video-file-prope rties.html

Explains it pretty well.

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30. grandpooba2,

Nov 28, 2012 8:33 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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Strange then. I did exactly as prescibed by Dr Jim and it still cropped it abit widescreen wise but I was able to make it work. Just a hair outside the safe zones on the screen.

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31. Jim Simon,

Nov 28, 2012 8:36 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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It's the color bit-depth

I'm guessing Vegas just didn't read it correctly, because UT comes out at 24 (8 bit x 3 channels). You can't change that.

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32. Jim Simon,

Nov 28, 2012 8:38 AM in reply to grandpooba2

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it still cropped

You probably had the wrong Pixel Aspect Ratio selected. The default for DV will be non-square. You'll want square.

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