I work on a project on both a a laptop and desktop, and keep the project file synced with Dropbox. They each have their own copies of the source footage.
I create markers on one machine; how do I get them to show up when I open the project on the other? I transfer the project file to my desktop, and the markers are all gone.
I wish it were the case. But because it's a different machine, the source footage is in a different location, and as soon as I point Premiere to the new location and it relinks the footage, the markers are gone.
I am. I'd be surprised if that's relevant, though. The project file is the project file, and if it contains sequence markers, they'll be there. My bet is operator error on this one. You're not saving the changes, you're not waiting for Dropbox to upload the file, you're not opening the new version with the markers...something.
Ok so I've tried saving, then transferring to the other computer via USB stick instead...still no go. Do you have to relink your files? If we're doing the same thing it's clearly a Mac vs. PC issue. Anyone on two Macs tried this?
Yea, I can confirm that linking the media anew deletes the markers. I initially selected "Offline All" and automated the offline clips to a new sequence. Then I found the ones with markers and relinked them, then watched as the markers disappeared as they got relinked. Just another case of lack of functionality. Bug report form here I come.
I think we posted our last two comments at almost the same time, after I read your second comment I thought I'd better do another test just to double check, and yeah, the markers are definitely still there. I did the test using a DnxHD quicktime file, but I know I've had other markers carry across on a number of types of media.
Aha! I've found the issue.
The problem occurs if you leave the C300's MXF files in their original folders with the metadata files the camera creates alongside them. Because an xmp file already exists, Premiere loads the metadata created by the camera instead of the one it usually creates itself upon import. No marker data in the camera, so no markers.
In summary, moving all the MXF files together into one folder without their extra files, and then relinking in Ppro, solved the problem.
Thanks for all the info and updates. It's been conventional wisdom around here that keeping the folder structure from the camera absolutely intact is required to edit the footage properly, i.e., no audio sync or spanned file issues. You've apparently discovered a case where doing that actually harms the edit in a project.
Would you mind doing one more test? If you have any spanned clips from your C300 -- ones where a single MXF file couldn't hold the entire video clip and it had to be split between 2 or more MXF files -- would you please test how those clips react to being moved into a different folder without their extra files?
Because an xmp file already exists, Premiere loads the metadata created by the camera instead of the one it usually creates itself upon import. No marker data in the camera, so no markers.
That seems more coincidental than causal. PP's sequence markers are stored in the project file, not the XMP sidecar. And all works fine with AVCHD, which also has a labyrinthine folder structure.
I've checked my spanned clips and they're behaving the same way as they did before, as separate source clips. Is it expected behavior for them to ever link together or something similar?
Your comments conflict with what Wes Plate just recently posted to me in http://forums.adobe.com/message/4898762#4898762
Wes Plate wrote:
The marker data is stored in XMP "sidecar" files that live either next to or near the MXF media files. The files will have a similar name as the footage they're associated with and will have a .xmp extension. You should be able to copy these files from location A to location B (putting the .xmp files in the exact same relative location) and the markers should then appear for you.
Understood Jim. That makes more sense.
I'm wondering what impact the "Write XMP data to file upon import" option has on the outcome of a situation like this. The first computer was set with the option on, the other with it off.
Ben I'm having the same issue. I edit on two macs and lose markers (as well as some -- but not all -- info I type in metadata fields) when I relink. I edit 5d QT files natively, though I don't preserve the card structure when I put new footage onto my drives (yeah, I know).
It's a huge pain... I like watching and logging before I edit... I tap 'm' all the time... and then it gets lost.
Well I have conducted one successful test.
On my Mac Pro, I have one folder on an HD that I point all of the cache prefs to. After Effects, Premiere... they then create their own folders in that folder (these folders are "Media Cache", "Media Cache Files", "256", "1024", "After Effects Cache" etc).
My Adobe apps on my Laptop create all their cache files in a folder on a portable HD I bring along with me, so I copied the cache files from my Mac Pro to this folder.
When I relinked the media on my Laptop, the markers I created on my Mac Pro were there. I then deleted the cache, relaunched the app, and they were STILL there (so that's good).
Settings: as I mentioned, I have "Write XMP ID to Files on Import" and "Enable Clip and XMP Metadata Linking" enabled on both machines, and "Save Media Cache files next to originals when possible" UNchecked on both machines.
I've just experienced the same issue working with Sony FS700 .MST files. If you preserve the original file structure, the marker info will not carry across. You'll have to re-copy the footage from the machine you added the markers on. On the FS700 footage the marker info is stores in a .CPI file with each clip.