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The obsolete 'copy' in save as .jpg

Dec 7, 2012 8:41 AM

I supported Pshop for Adobe when 4 came out (1997) and STILL I have to delete the automatic insertion of 'copy' into the filename when I save a layered .psd as a .jpg. There is NO reason for this piece of code anymore. As I understand it, there was some weird concern that, since layers were new, people wouldn't realize that saving as a .jpg wouldn't preserve them and they would also have to save the .psd as well - which you are warned about anyway on close.

Can ANYONE tell me why this piece of code is still there? Can ANYONE concoct a reason I have had to delete 'copy' on save as .jpg for FIFTEEN years now? Just for my sanity - make something up that sounds good. PLEASE!

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1. Curt Y,

Dec 7, 2012 8:46 AM in reply to Geolaf

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This has be a topic of numerous threads. Here is a long one that covers most bases. http://forums.adobe.com/message/4189806#4189806

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2. Noel Carboni,

Dec 7, 2012 8:52 AM in reply to Geolaf

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I haven't seen "copy" added to a filename in a very long time, and I do do a lot of File - Save As - JPEG operations. I'm with you - constantly having to delete that would drive me nuts.

I honestly can't say what I've done to avert it, though. I'll be interested to see what it works out to be.

I'm on Windows 7 by the way.

-Noel

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3. Geolaf,

Dec 7, 2012 8:57 AM in reply to Curt Y

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A. Doesn't explain WHY there is any REASON for this code to still be there - none.

B. Nothing in that thread helped me get rid of it. "As a copy" is checked and greyed when saving a layered .psd as as .jpg. I practically remove the addition of copy (including the befuddling space) in my sleep by now. It's just a major pet peeve. It's like how old style cars used to allow you to leave the lights on when the key was turned off WITHOUT doing something deliberate - whereas the radio would go off (something you'd notice if it didn't, even during the day) unless you deliberately half turned the key. This appeared to be a conspiracy with jumper cable manufacturers to me. There was NEVER a reason for this behavior. There STILL isn't.

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4. Noel Carboni,

Dec 7, 2012 9:00 AM in reply to Geolaf

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Mac or PC, Geolaf?

-Noel

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5. Curt Y,

Dec 7, 2012 9:01 AM in reply to Geolaf

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I also do not see a copy added. Win 7 also. I have done nothing to modify default settings.

Just made a layered PSD and saved it as a jpeg. I noticed when I clicked save as the box that came up had a check mark next to copy. When I changed the save as box to jpeg the copy box was grayed out.

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6. Geolaf,

Dec 7, 2012 9:13 AM in reply to Noel Carboni

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PC. Also - my cheap *** company still has me on CS3 - maybe that's it. I just had to rant though. Even when I supported the change to 4 (addition of layers) we had to BS on this. There was never any viable official logic. It wasn't like a .jpg would overwrite a .psd OR that you wouldn't also be prompted to save the .psd on close. I think it is just a piece of legacy code all the way back that has, simply, never been removed.

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7. charles badland,

Dec 7, 2012 9:21 AM in reply to Geolaf

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I don't get that when saving a psd as a jpg. It just saves with same file name but with the jpg extension. No "copy" is added.

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8. Curt Y,

Dec 7, 2012 9:24 AM in reply to Geolaf

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Geolaf,

Here is a tip that might get you a new version of PS, if you act quick. Right now you can upgade to CS6 for the upgrade price (in US $200). After Dec 31 that offer goes over the fiscal cliff and you have to pay full version price (US$700). Be aware however it really needs 64 bit OS and 8 gig or ram with a good video card.

CS3 Bridge has a trouble ridden version.

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9. R_Kelly,

Dec 7, 2012 9:46 AM in reply to Geolaf

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There is a purpose for Save As Copy.
Saving as a copy keeps the original file open in photoshop.

If you were to flatten your jpeg before saving you shouldn't get the copy added to the file name.

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10. emil emil,

Dec 7, 2012 10:07 AM in reply to Geolaf

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Shift + Ctrl+ S which is "Save as" will not add "copy" to the file name and if the name and location is not changed by the user after a warning, will replace the file on disk and thus the currently open file.
Ctrl + Alt + S which is "Save a copy" will add "copy" to the file name and will save another file on disk leaving the original file and thus the open file unchanged.

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11. Geolaf,

Dec 7, 2012 10:02 AM in reply to R_Kelly

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Hmmm - I guess that kind of makes sense. But not really. They could easily have coded it to keep the layered file open anyway. It's not as if they gave you a different workflow than that anyway. I could see that as a reason if you had the option.

Also - it happens with no other save as format - even all the other ones that get rid of the layers, etc. Maybe it was a legal deal with jpg?

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12. emil emil,

Dec 7, 2012 10:04 AM in reply to Geolaf

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Geolaf wrote:
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Also - it happens with no other save as format - even all the other ones that get rid of the layers, etc. Maybe it was a legal deal with jpg?
It is the same for any format

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13. Geolaf,

Dec 7, 2012 10:07 AM in reply to emil emil

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Oh - yeah - I guess it is. Probably just save out to jpg so much more ...

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14. emil emil,

Dec 7, 2012 10:12 AM in reply to Geolaf

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read my post #10 and realize how you "save as"

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15. Geolaf,

Dec 7, 2012 10:14 AM in reply to emil emil

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Sorry - been using shift+control S forever - doesn't offer the option to NOT save as a cop

I really don't think my workflow is at all unusual. I would just like it to save the jpeg as a flattened jpg (since all jpgs ARE flat) and leave the psd open - just as it does - and prompt me to save the psd as it does. But I would be happy if there WAS a keycombo that made that happen.

Nevertheless - I guess this is the definitive 'thinking' behind the code - even though it doesn't offer a choice (which is where I think the flaw is - since the only thing that happens to the workflow is that I have to remove - or leave - copy in the filename.)

It's not as if it's preventing anything. They could have put in a dialog that says: "Saving in another format with layers will leave the author file in psd format and save a copy so that you can maintain your layers." with a checkbox that says: Don't show me this again.

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16. R_Kelly,

Dec 7, 2012 10:14 AM in reply to Geolaf

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I believe the behavior was changed starting with cs5 so layered files don't get the copy added to the name when saving jpegs.

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17. Geolaf,

Dec 7, 2012 10:18 AM in reply to R_Kelly

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Yeah - my REAL rant might be that my company won't upgrade me! Still, I can't believe how many versions it took for them to get to this. Seriously, save for web doesn't do it - but that automatically changes the resolution (as it should) to 72 dpi.

Maybe I can use this as part of my argument for the upgrade. My IT department wants to see if the new cloud based subscription versions would be better ... yet another reason to drag their feet I guess.

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18. R_Kelly,

Dec 7, 2012 10:30 AM in reply to Geolaf

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In cs3 it's not a problem when saving layered files to jpegs (except for the added copy), but if you flatten the layered psd file before saving or open a psd with only the background layer and then save to jpeg, when
you use File>Revert, the file reverts to the saved jpeg instead of the original psd.

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19. emil emil,

Dec 7, 2012 10:42 AM in reply to Geolaf

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Oh, sorry I was answering to your first messages where it appears that you were talking about the latest versions. I missed CS3 mentioned later in the thread.

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20. emil emil,

Dec 7, 2012 11:14 AM in reply to Geolaf

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Geolaf wrote:

Sorry - been using shift+control S forever - doesn't offer the option to NOT save as a cop

I really don't think my workflow is at all unusual. I would just like it to save the jpeg as a flattened jpg (since all jpgs ARE flat) and leave the psd open - just as it does - and prompt me to save the psd as it does. But I would be happy if there WAS a keycombo that made that happen.

Nevertheless - I guess this is the definitive 'thinking' behind the code - even though it doesn't offer a choice (which is where I think the flaw is - since the only thing that happens to the workflow is that I have to remove - or leave - copy in the filename.)

It's not as if it's preventing anything. They could have put in a dialog that says: "Saving in another format with layers will leave the author file in psd format and save a copy so that you can maintain your layers." with a checkbox that says: Don't show me this again.
May be good ideas, but I can assure you that they are not going to make any code changes for CS3 and your problem doesn't exist in the latest versions.

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