I'm trying to organize my files in Bridge for the first time. I've used PS/Ai/ID/etc for years, but Bridge always just seemed odd to me. Bridge still is odd to use, but it lets me label and keyword files, which I need to organize my files. I've tried organizing them without things like these for years, and it's just not working, especially for files I create with adobe products.
I switched to the METADATA workspace (assuming Bridge calls them workspaces, PS does) since it has the table of files their details, but then I noticed the Date Created was wrong, it's actually the Date Taken. Why my psd files that are digital paintings have a Date Taken, I'm not sure (they don't come from cameras or scanners). Why Bridge calls "Date Taken" "Date Created" I'm not sure either. But I need to organize my files, and Bridge has "Date File Created" that shows the real "Date Created" that I need.
Anyway, I'm in METADATA and I need to see the real Date Created (Date File Created) in the table of files in the CONTENT panel. However, I can't figure out how to do it. Is this possible to do?
(I know I can open the METADATA panel to get to the Date Created, but I'd rather not open a whole panel for just this 1 field, I have many files to organize and Bridge is slow enough on my desktop with the METADATA panel closed)
I'm using Brisge CS6 via creative cloud on Window 7. Both are up to date. Desktop is custom build about 6 months to 2 years old depend on which part we're talking about. I can get more detailed tech spec's if they're needed.
The date file can be confusing. There is Date Created (set by camera when picture shot), and date file created (when imported into Bridge), and date file modified. You can choose which ones to display in metadata panel by clicking on edit/preferences/metadata.
You can add a seperate line of metadata under the image using edit/preferences/thumbnails then select the line of metadata you want to show.
If I read you correctly there may not be a Date Taken as this is a field from the camera. Since you are creating them it would be Date Created.
What do you mean by: "Since you are creating them it would be Date Created." ? I read in another thread that what bridge calls date created is what everything else calls date taken.
For example, I have a psd I know I made with ctrl+N in PS that says "Date Created: Dec 2009" and "Date File Created: 4/9/2010". 4/9/2010 is the date created in windows. Where is the Dec 2009 from?
(and yes I'm really behind in my file organizing, I couldn't find a good system before I knew Bridge had labels and keywords)
Here is an old thread that might clear things up. See post #5 in particular. http://forums.adobe.com/thread/475059
Also, reread post #1 above. Date Created is from camera or scanner, and Date File Created is something different as when the Date Created file was entered into Bridge, or a file you created and entered into Bridge.
Your first post doesn't make sense to me. These files can't have information from a scanner or a camera because they're paintings and sketches from PS with a Wacom Tablet. I have some psd files that say Date Created back in '07, but I had never opened Bridge back then. If I ever opened it in '09/'10, then it was for a few seconds at the most. I didn't do anything to import the images into Bridge, I just opened it and they were all there. I've never imported any files into Bridge and I've read online that you can't (where as in Lightroom you have to).
At this point the only thing I can think of that makes sense is PS stored the date in the files when I first made the files (with New and Save), and windows can't see this date but bridge can. If that is the case, then my file have been carrying around their dates all this time, even though I've moved them around a lot. Assuming I'm right this means I don't want the date file created because bridge calls this date PS put in my files date created. Do you know if I'm right or wrong about that?
To test I created a document in photoshop and saved as jpeg. The Date Created, Date File Created, and the Date File Modified were all the same. If I look at this document in Windows Explorer and right click to get Properties it shows Date Created and Date Modified. In Bridge termonology in Windows this is really Date FILE Created and Date FILE Modified. I come to this conclusion as I viewed an image where the Date Created and Date File Created were different, and W.E. does not list the Date Created timestamp.
So depending on the program used you have to figure out if the listed Date Created is really that or Date FILE Created. In a camera they can be quite different, but if you are making a drawing they should be the same with the date stamped at the time you save it.
Does this make sense?
It makes sense, but I created this thread because that's not the case. I have many PSD files (not JPG files) that I created as new blank PS documents where what Bridge calls "date created" and what Bridge calls "date file created" do not match at all (they're years apart and in different formats in some cases). What Brudge calls "date file created" matches what Windows calls "date created" in every case I've checked, but what Bridge calls "date created" doesn't match anything windows can find about the file for many files.
For files like jpg that PS creates, what Bridge calls "date created" seems to match what Bridge calls "date file created", but adobe doesn't control those file formats and therefore doesn't decide what data to put in them. Adobe does control the PSD file format and adobe decides what data to put in the file format. Clearly there is some piece of data in psd that windows can't see, bridge can see, bridge calls "date created", and doesn't come from a camera. The problem is I don't know the logic PS uses to set this piece of data in the psd file, therefore the piece of data is useless to me. I want to figure out the logic involved in setting this piece of data and therefore understand what the data actually means. Do you know the logic PS uses to set this piece of data?
All I can do is try testing to see what is happening and conclude the "logic" from there.
Took jpeg picture date created 7/26/2010
date file created 2/4/2011
date file modified 2/4/2011
added a layer and made some line on picture saved as psd metadata changed to
date created 7/26/2010
date file created today
date file modified today
From this, and previous analysis, it appears that DATE CREATED is the date the camera or scanner created the picture, or if created in some program the DATE CREATED is the date it was first saved. That date created will not change with future operations even if format changed. I did this same test and saved as jpg and results same as adding a layer and saving as psd.
Therefore from my test if the image is modified and saved the date created remains the same, but the date file created and date file modified can change.
Date Created is not read in Windows Explorer. In Windows Explorer the DATE CREATED is really what Bridge calls DATE FILE CREATED.
Hope this helps. Try it yourself for conformation.
Do you know the logic PS uses to set this piece of data?
Sadly enough logic and Adobe are not often a matching pair. Due to different teams (often also in different location and countries) working on different applications and the scale of the Adobe Company it seems very hard to get everyone on the same line for details. This is a known point of frustration for many users, even in the Creative Suite itself.
But for a digital image captured by a camera PS and Bridge read the IPTC data in the Exif that is created in the Camera itself and is written to the File Info. Ideally this is for every vendor the same according to the IPTC world standard but you know how it is with an ideal situation...
I don't know exactly where Bridge get's the data from for the fields its shows in the Metadata panel (there are a lot of tabs in the File Info, especially for a digital image, just check it yourself) but a file created in PS gets its creating day and time the moment you save it and it's modification date and time the moment you save the changes you have applied to that file. Of course only the last modification is showing.
Like Curt said, in Bridge preferences Thumbnail section you can choose to show both Date created and date taken under the thumbs. The sort order respects those info also.
Thank you for explaining that.
The only thing that seems sort of weird to me is that I save out interations of a painting as I work via Save As, and all of them share the same bridge date created as the first one. That's helpful and not helpful at the same time. I looked through all the other metadata things, and even after showing everything that has "Date" in it I can't figure out where bridge is getting that date created.
Though I did figure out if I don't like the date created, filling out the date created in the IPTC Core over-rides whereever in world bridge is getting the PS date created. Which is nice because then I can set it manually if the PS date created is wrong.