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Framesets don't preview in browser. Why?

Jan 19, 2013 3:54 AM

Hi, hope the Q is in the right place.

I've been using DW on and off for years but this issues a real nuisance.

I can preview anything but framesets in IE9. I'm using DW Mx2004.

IE throws up "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage".

It's showing D:\Sites\HKAB\TMPasu8jgvfk5.htm in the top bar so attempting to use a temporary file.

Got to be something simple, looked at everything that might cause this, but no luck so far.

 

Help please.

567 Views   11 Replies   Latest reply: Ken Binney, Jan 22, 2013 3:57 PM
 
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  • Ken Binney
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    1. Ken Binney,
    Jan 19, 2013 5:08 AM   in reply to flintandsteel
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    What is displaying when you view the page in your alternate browser?

     
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  • flintandsteel
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    2. flintandsteel,
    Jan 19, 2013 5:56 AM   in reply to Ken Binney
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    Just getting a blank page (Firefox). However mouse over picks if the frame ID.

    Looks like the systems trying to get there but there must be a small tweek to do or undo to get it functioning properly.

     

    IE9 shows a split screen, as in replicating the frameset, with "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" message in each

     
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  • Ken Binney
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    3. Ken Binney,
    Jan 19, 2013 6:47 AM   in reply to flintandsteel
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    Seems we'll need to see ALL your code.  Please upload all the relevant pages to your webspace and post a link to your frameset, and we'll take a look.

     
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  • flintandsteel
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    4. flintandsteel,
    Jan 19, 2013 6:59 AM   in reply to Ken Binney
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    The address is www.hkab.co.uk

    My daughter put this together for me and I'm slowly modifying it.

    I think this is the frameset code

     

    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Frameset//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-frameset.dtd">
    <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
    <title>Harrogate Kitchens and Bathrooms idx</title>
    </head>

    <frameset rows="220,*" cols="*" framespacing="0" frameborder="no" border="0">
      <frame src="/indextop.html" name="top_Frame" scrolling="No" noresize="noresize" id="top_Frame" title="top_Frame" />
      <frame src="/indexmid.html" name="main_Frame" id="main_Frame" title="main_Frame" />
    </frameset>
    <noframes><body>
    </body>
    </noframes></html>

     
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  • Ken Binney
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    5. Ken Binney,
    Jan 19, 2013 8:31 AM   in reply to flintandsteel
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    Thanks -

     

    Frames, as a layout method is so dysfunctional, I have to admit, that I am not sure how to code them.

     

    This explains why:   http://www.apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php

     

    I think you will be thrilled if you utilize Server Side Includes which are easy to learn, and so easy to maintain.

     

    Meanwhile repair these errors:

    http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hkab.co.uk%2F&chars et=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0

     
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  • flintandsteel
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    6. flintandsteel,
    Jan 21, 2013 9:01 AM   in reply to Ken Binney
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    Thank you for the information.

    The link you forwarded explains a lot.

    As an infrequent user of DW I have in the past used tables. I was trying to unpick these frames and got totally baffled by them. From on line comments, I'm not the only one.

    Following the link, I'm going to convert these frames to tables, which to me are considerably more logical.

     
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  • flintandsteel
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    7. flintandsteel,
    Jan 22, 2013 12:41 PM   in reply to flintandsteel
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    I ave it in tables but not quite as I like.

    Had another go at frames and got good results .................... then

     

    I'm beginning to think this is all down to the potentially strange behaviour of frames.

    Got it all cracked and uploaded, previewed once, looked fine, then on returning to the online site again it dissapeared giving "page not found" again.

    Rubbish. No changes in files or code.

    Is there some reason it won't let you view twice? This would also explain why I kept losing it in preview.

    Any suggestions?

     
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  • Jon Fritz II
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    8. Jon Fritz II,
    Jan 22, 2013 12:50 PM   in reply to flintandsteel
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    Frames are such a bad idea that the W3C saw fit to remove them from HTML5.

     

     

     

    You have a type-o however, in your link.

     

    you are sending people to www.hbak.co.uk rather than www.hkab.co.uk.

     
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  • Nancy O.
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    9. Nancy O.,
    Jan 22, 2013 1:03 PM   in reply to flintandsteel
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    Frames were popular in the 1990s but not anymore.  Nobody uses them.  Mobile devices don't handle framed sites well. And more importantly, the W3C removed support for frames from HTML5 web standards. 

    http://www.tutorialspoint.com/html5/html5_deprecated_tags.htm

     

    Eventually, browser developers will likely drop support for them, too. So don't use frames.  You don't need them or the headaches they create for you and your site visitors.

     

    I urge you to get up to speed with Cascading Style Sheets (CSS).  Table based layouts are inefficient and labor intensive, especially if you later decide to make global changes to the appearance of your site.  With CSS, you can re-style your entire site with a few lines of code.  With tables, you must tediously re-code every page. 

     

    To illustrate the power of CSS, go to CSS Zen Garden.  Each page contains identical content. Only the style sheets are different. You can't do this with tables.

     

    HTML & CSS Tutorials:

    http://www.html.net/

    http://w3schools.com/

     

    Dreamweaver CSS Starter Pages:

    http://www.adobe.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/introducing_new_css_l ayouts.html

     

     

    Nancy O.

     
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  • flintandsteel
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    10. flintandsteel,
    Jan 22, 2013 2:09 PM   in reply to Nancy O.
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    Thank you both for all the help. I really appreciate your helping me out. I'll have a good look at CSS go with your recomendations.

    The typo - typical dyslexic error of reversal. I'd be a hopeless coder.

     

    My thanks again

     
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  • Ken Binney
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    11. Ken Binney,
    Jan 22, 2013 3:57 PM   in reply to flintandsteel
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    Meanwhile, after you fix the URL make a copy of Harrogate Kitchens and Bathrooms logo1 copy.jpg and put it in the images folder that's inside the backup folder

     
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