I have an Ae-project that I have previously made as a DVD-project, but now i've stepped up to BluRay, and I discover a strange detail:
The project has a short intro, an animation set as first play, that leads up to the main menu. In other words: The last frame of the intro is identical to the look of the main menu. Now, in the DVD-project, it seems that Ae "holds" the last frame of the intro until the main menu is loaded, and the result is that the transition between the intro and the main menu appears seamlessly. Just like I want it to be.
However, in the BluRay-project, a black gap appears when the player goes from the intro to the main menu. The gap is obviously not a long one, but it's there and it annoys me, so can it be eliminated?
Thanx in advance for any suggestions...
Instead of separate elements, make the intro and menu one element.
As Assets are located on the disc, there can be a pause, seen as a "flash to black."
I would test using that last/first Frame as a separate Asset (Video), and use that as a Button Transition - can only be a Video Asset, and not a Timeline. Does that eliminate the flash to black?
Thank you for your input. However it didn't solve my problem - or rather: It created some new ones.
When the menu, with the intro included, reaches the end and goes back to the loop point, I get a black gap. The gap isn't nearly as long as when I had the intro and menu seperated but it re-occours every time the menu goes back to the loop point. And further more, the yellow button-highlights flashes when the menu returns to the loop point from the second loop and onwards.
I tried to work around this by setting the loop point to just one frame, thinking that if the higlight flashes with an interval of 25 times per second, no one would notice, but I can't set the loop point that close. In fact, Encore seems to be very rigid in terms of setting loop points...
So the bottom line is, I've got rid of my initial problem - the loooong black gap (or so it seems) between the intro and the menu, but I got me a couple of new ones instead...
Any suggestions for a work-around on these new issues anyone?
Also thanks for the input to you. Although I may need you to elaborate a bit more on this possibility. I've spend the morning watching a few tutorials on this subject, but I fail to see how I can use this feature to make a seamless transition between my intro and the menu.
As I understand the Button Transition feature, it calls for...
1.: A button to press, and there is obviously not a button present in my intro
2.: User interaction to make the transition happen
So could I kindly ask you to add a few more words to "the how" of making this thing work..?
Read post # 28 in this thread: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4690487
You can also download the iso file from post # 23 in the same thread. Burn it and try it in your player. If it works and the gaps are gone, read post # 28 to see how it was done.
I wrote those posts and it works for some. It seems to be some players that have the problem you describe.
I use Encore CS6.
/Roger från Sverige
Well, thank you for the efford, but it didn't work for me. I have downloaded your projest and burned it, but I get black gaps between the menus and trnasitions in your project, so I asssume it's a player-thing. Strange though, because the player is a brand new LG HR570C, but it seems I'll just have to live with the black gaps...
(I'd rather not say where I'm from after our national hand ball teams 60 minutes "black gap" against Spain in Sunday afternoons final. That was SO embarrasing... )
Yes Stan - very close indeed. On a clear day I can actualy see the Swedish coast from my back yard
But let's go back to the gaps on the BluRays instead of those on the handball court for a while: I've done some further research, and although I haven't been able to establish if this applies to all BluRay players (it seems that players from Sony are an execption), it is certainly true for some - including my LG:
It seems that at least some BluRay players, when playing a menu with a loop point, cashes and plays all that is before the loop point, and then - when reaching the loop point - it cashes and plays all that is after this point. And so a black gap occurs while it cashes, and it seems those gaps are inevitable. The gaps re-occur every time the player reaches the end of the menu because it then re-cashes all that is after the loop point "from top".
I found this information on this website: www.precomposed.com. (Scroll down a bit to the "Encore BluRay loop point fix!"-headline). The site is hosted by Jon Geddes and he has apparently been working on a solution to this since January 2011. But according to his blog, he gave up in September 2012, and he expresses the hope that Adobe will solve this bug in a comming Encore 7.0-version. So it seems that we will have to wait for solution out there in the distant future, I'm afraid... And Averdahl is right: It is a player-issue, but apparently a player-issue in connection with the way Encore handles menus with loop points.
Oh, and just for the record: I did download Averdahls test sequence and burn it to a disc for testing. I'm aware of the flaws in the Encore Preview feature, so I don't trust that for testing.
You have described my understanding of the problem. It is my understanding that players "should" hold the last frame when doing such operations, but under some conditions (or with some players), they do not.
I'm creating a DVD, a have a video asset (avi) as first play, then end action goes to main menu, the last frame of the avi is identical to the main menu, except once the main menu appers I have added a couple of buttons (play and chapters). There's a gap between the assest and menu.
So is the definitive answer that we are stuck with gaps?
I'm a little surprised to hear that you experience gaps in the transition between the video asset and menu on your DVD.
To my understanding, the DVD player would hold the last frame of the asset until the menu was loaded and thus eliminate gaps. At least that's what both my current (LG) and previous (Sony) players does, and I was lead to believe that this was a software- and not a hardware thing.
I have never experienced gaps on DVD-projects - only on BluRay-projects. But if you have a different experience, I suppose the answer to your question is: Yes, at least some of us are stuck with gaps, but as i understand only for the time being. I have the feeling that the good people of Adobe is on the issue, so I hope that gaps aren't here to stay...
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