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blacks , can you help me?

Feb 4, 2013 12:11 AM

Hi

 

can you help to edit the blacks?

 

here is a sample

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ud1y81em9m3ctuu/no%20back.jpg

 

and here there is

https://www.dropbox.com/s/991pjabgg2v4nxk/power%20retouche%20black.jpg

 

the same sample with power retouche black definition

 

i tried curve , luminocity mask , but i can't get the same results

 

thanks

 
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    Feb 4, 2013 8:23 AM   in reply to mantralightroom

    Best bet for shadows is image/adjust/shadows/highlights.

     

    Problem with black it is not a color, it is absence of color.

     
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    Feb 4, 2013 8:30 AM   in reply to mantralightroom

    You'll get close just by blending a black layer with 60% opacity and a mask that's an inverted luminosity selection of the original.

     

    Screen-shot-2013-02-04-at-16.27.59.png

     
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    Feb 4, 2013 8:35 AM   in reply to conroy

    I must add that my RGB blending gamma is set to 1 in Edit > Color Settings. You'll not get the same result with the default gamma 2.2.

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Feb 4, 2013 9:03 AM   in reply to mantralightroom

    A good old fashioned Curves operation (or Curves adjustment layer) will open up the shadows.  You can add color saturation to taste afterward.

     

    Curves.png

     

    -Noel

     
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    Feb 4, 2013 9:18 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    I thought mantralightroom wanted to go from the bright image to the blacker one.

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Feb 5, 2013 7:01 AM   in reply to conroy

    Heh, I guess I got it backwards.  Same thing, desaturate first, then curves the other way.

     

    MoreBlackCurves.png

     

    -Noel

     
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    Feb 4, 2013 10:21 AM   in reply to mantralightroom

    try copying the layer on multiply blend with reduced opacity

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 4:19 AM   in reply to mantralightroom

    There's something wrong with your computer system or your vision if a multiply looks the same as the example you said you wanted to produce.

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 7:28 AM   in reply to mantralightroom

    mantralightroom wrote:

     

    opacity 30% and looks very similar but with more saturation

     

    i select and create 2 maskes the blacks and midtones with color selective

    ctrl +j for the blacks and another for the midtones

    set to multiply , and i played with the opacity

     

     

    If you had revealed that instead of suggesting that a simple reduced-opacity multiply was "exactly the same" effect as you wanted, then I wouldn't have said that your system or vision was faulty.

     

     

    i tried to add like your advise a solid color black , blend mode normal , 60% and a hightligh inverse mask , it doesn't look so good

     

    Maybe you did not see the note about gamma 1 blending being essential for my suggestion to work.

     

    Anyway, if you've found a solution with which you are happy then all is well.

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 7:04 AM   in reply to Tinkuu

    try copying the layer on multiply blend with reduced opacity

    An unedited Adjustment Layer set to Multiply might achieve the same thing while increasing file size less.

     
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    Feb 5, 2013 8:06 AM   in reply to c.pfaffenbichler

    Good suggestion, Christoph!  Maybe make it a Hue/Saturation adjustment layer, so the saturation can be adjusted at the same time. 

     

    It's interesting that people often look for "magic techniques" sometimes in preference to than methods that give them more control over their results.  It's one big reason why I'm successful in selling actions sets rather than people just learning the tools and sequences to go through to achieve the results themselves.  No doubt the Power Retouche tool makes some sales as a result.

     

    OneAdjustmentLayer.png

     

    -Noel

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Feb 6, 2013 8:19 AM   in reply to mantralightroom

    To do what?  You haven't described what you want to do with them.  Just asking how to "do the same thing as is shown above with blacks" is kind of nonsensical.

     

    You can do anything you want with Curves.  But I suspect you may want something else.

     

    Perhaps you should look into large radius Unsharp Mask, or maybe Image - Adjust - HDR Toning.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Feb 6, 2013 10:28 PM   in reply to mantralightroom

    i mean there is a white definition ?

    Your question seems unclear to me; what do you expect a »white definition« to be/mean?

    The property of a Color Space or some editing approach?

     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Feb 7, 2013 7:38 AM   in reply to mantralightroom

    Go to russellbrown's site and download the layer to camera raw script. that way you'll be able to edit layers in ACR. http://www.pixiq.com/article/video-tutorial-edit-a-layer-in-adobe-came ra-raw

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Feb 7, 2013 8:39 AM   in reply to mantralightroom

    mantralightroom wrote:

     

    i mean , i'm sure nobody tried power retouche black definition plugin

     

    That's likely because those in this thread generally know how to get the tonality they want without a 3rd party plug-in.  Photoshop is incredibly rich with it's own tools to achieve a particular look and feel.

     

    I'll ask in turn:  Did you try the Image - Adjust - HDR Toning feature I suggested?

     

    -Noel

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Feb 7, 2013 4:17 PM   in reply to mantralightroom

    Image - Adjust - HDR Toning is also in Photoshop CS5.

     

    Can you try to put into words (or show an example) of what you'd like to do with your whites?

     

    -Noel

     
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