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How would your workflow order go from PP to AE to Speedgrade

Feb 7, 2013 8:19 AM

Hey guys, wanted to see how your workflow would go under these circumstances...

 

1- Editing something in PP

2- then needing to add special effects like a muzzle flash and bullet impacts in AE

3- then needed to add sound FX for the gunfire and newly created VFX in PP

4- Finally being fine tuned color graded in Speedgrade.

 

How would your workflow go to accomplish something like this? I understand you could just render it every step of the process, but that doesn't seem efficient and quality could get bad (?) I also know you can use DL to connect it from PP to AE, but would you be able to do this for step 3 of the process without rendering? Any help is appreciated.

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  • Jim Simon
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    1. Jim Simon,
    Feb 7, 2013 8:49 AM   in reply to Jerambis00
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    I'd use Dynamic Link to get the AE work done, then skip SpeedGrade and just do the CC in Premiere Pro.  You can accomplish a lot with Adjustment Layers.

     
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    2. Jerambis00,
    Feb 7, 2013 10:39 AM   in reply to Jim Simon
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    So you would use dynamic link to take the Edited PP into AE, then add the effects, and would you then render it? Or are you able to now take the AE comp and through dynamic link bring it back into PP with all the new VFX?

     
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  • Fuzzy Barsik
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    3. Fuzzy Barsik,
    Feb 7, 2013 11:36 AM   in reply to Jerambis00
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    See this discussion on Dynamic Link workflow between PrPro and AE. Pay attention to Todd's comments.

     

    Regard to PrPro - SpeedGrade see this help section on general workflow and that one on reusing looks. Can't comment this on however, 'cos I'm still on CS5.5.

     
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    Feb 7, 2013 11:40 AM   in reply to Jerambis00
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    So you would use dynamic link to take the Edited PP into AE, then add the effects

     

    No, no.  I'd do it for each clip individually that required effects.  Right click>Replace with After Effects Composition.

     
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  • Jerambis00
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    5. Jerambis00,
    Feb 7, 2013 3:25 PM   in reply to Jim Simon
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    I think I get it... Really there are two main ways to do it...

     

    Jim, you suggest making the tweaks to the clips in AE (assuming I know exactly what part of each clip I am using),  then inserting them into my PP sequence.

     

    Or, you can make a sequence in PP use DL to bring it into AE and add the FX, render it in a Lossless Codec, and then bring it back into PP.

     

    Is this correct, or am I still a little confused? 

     
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  • Jim Simon
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    6. Jim Simon,
    Feb 7, 2013 4:12 PM   in reply to Jerambis00
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    Still confused.

     

    Edit your project in PP as normal.  For any clips that need effects in AE, right click on that clip in the sequence and choose Replace with After Effects Composition.  This loads that clip in AE and keeps it Dynamically Linked to PP.  So any changes you make to that clip in AE show up automatically in PP, no export or intermediate files necessary.

     
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    Feb 7, 2013 5:55 PM   in reply to Jim Simon
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    Awesome, that is exactly the answer I am looking for! Thanks so much for the help!

     
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    8. Fuzzy Barsik,
    Feb 7, 2013 6:07 PM   in reply to Jerambis00
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    In real life relying on Dynamic Link sometimes is not wise. Once you gain some experience, you may probably want to read the discussion, link to which I submitted...

     
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    9. Jerambis00,
    Feb 7, 2013 6:09 PM   in reply to Fuzzy Barsik
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    Ya, I read the article and it seemed to mention several different ways to work, thank you for the input! Why is relying on dynamic link not wise?

     
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    10. Fuzzy Barsik,
    Feb 7, 2013 6:22 PM   in reply to Jerambis00
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    If you read, you would notice the answer from the very beginning: it's even entitled 'PPro with AE dynamic links slow to render'...

     
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    11. Jerambis00,
    Feb 7, 2013 6:32 PM   in reply to Fuzzy Barsik
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    Yes, but you could always just render each clip after you tweak it in AE and then replace it with the clip in PP, and your render time wouldn't really be affected in PP. Correct?

     
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    Feb 7, 2013 6:45 PM   in reply to Jerambis00
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    Incorrect. The render time WILL BE affected: you can save on it dramatically, depending on AE composition(s) complexity.

     
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    Feb 7, 2013 6:49 PM   in reply to Fuzzy Barsik
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    So then what is the best way to select the clip and the exact in and out point in PP to add into AE? 

     
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    Feb 7, 2013 7:06 PM   in reply to Jerambis00
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    If you start from PrPro, the best way is to select a clip or a group of clips in PrPro timeline, right-click and chose 'Replace with AE Composition'. Bear in mind, you should take care of handles. See e.g. this workaround.

     
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    15. Jerambis00,
    Feb 7, 2013 7:17 PM   in reply to Fuzzy Barsik
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    Very good idea on duplicating the layer and expanding it to keep the transitions! So you suggest right clicking in the PP sequence on the clip and chosing "replace with AE Comp" (same as what Jim said), then you would just render that AE comp after you are done and replace the original PP clip with the new AE Comp (instead of dynamic linking the AE Comp back into PP). Correct?

     
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    16. Fuzzy Barsik,
    Feb 7, 2013 7:24 PM   in reply to Jerambis00
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    Correct answer is to plan your workflow. If your PrPro project contains just several simple AE compositions, you don't have to render digital intermediates. If those comps are complex ones, render DIs out of AE and replace dynamically linked comps with them.

     
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    17. Jerambis00,
    Feb 7, 2013 7:30 PM   in reply to Fuzzy Barsik
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    Awesome. Thank you both very much for the help, it has been really helpful!

     
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