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Freehand File Format Specifications

Nov 20, 2007 2:26 PM

Hi,
Trying to locate file format specifications for Freehand 9, 10 and MX files. From what I've seen on the 'net, they weren't made availabe to the public by Macromedia.

With Freehand considered "dead" by Adobe, why couldn't Adobe release the format specs? Surely this can't be a big deal to the Macromedia people at Adobe anymore.

Thanks, wbjethro2
 
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    Nov 20, 2007 2:32 PM   in reply to wbjethro2
    > With Freehand considered "dead" by Adobe, why couldn't Adobe release the
    > format specs?

    Because then a) a 3rd party could implement it whcih would b) make it less
    likely that you'd just switch to AI

    ;o)

    -Darrel


     
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    Nov 21, 2007 9:52 AM   in reply to Newsgroup_User
    > Adobe doesn't have to worry about us not switching. Been an Adobe shop
    > for years.

    They are a giant software company. being paranoid to a fault is par for the
    course.

    -Darrel


     
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    Nov 21, 2007 8:11 PM   in reply to Newsgroup_User
    WOW! I'm an old school Freehand user ( since V2.0) and just discovered this Forum and that FH is now in the clutches of Adobe. So they are gonna kill it this time huh? As some of you may know, this is an old saga for sure. Yes. Adobe has been trying to kill FH for years and now they get to do it. I just hope Illfrustrator has evolved in the past few years. Anyway, I concur with the theory of paranoia at Adobe. They don't want to face a Ghost of Freehand past that they will have to buy out again. I just can't believe thier Illustrator developers couldn't just improve Freehand, rather than improving Illustrator with Freehand code ;) Hey has Photoshop evolved into something better since 6 or is it BloatWear by now?

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    Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
    > Adobe doesn't have to worry about us not switching. Been an Adobe shop
    > for years.

    They are a giant software company. being paranoid to a fault is par for the
    course.

    -Darrel





     
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    Nov 21, 2007 10:19 PM   in reply to Newsgroup_User

    > developers couldn't just improve Freehand, rather than improving Illustrator
    > with Freehand code ;)

    Most likely one of the problems is just the FreeHand code. Concluding from the last upgrades it was a steaming pile of dung and all Macromedia could do was attach a few more bugs with duck tape. ;-)

    Jukka
     
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    Nov 23, 2007 5:38 PM   in reply to Newsgroup_User
    I can believe that. MX is pretty strange compared to 10 & 11. But hey, Adobe has been trying to kill Freehand for a good reason- that it's not a "a steaming pile of dung". Flash wasn't the only big Macromedia 'buy'. I mean, Adobe was a two application company before buying Macromedia. With Macromedia Adobe won about 1/2 dozen apps that beat it's pants over and over.

    quote:

    Originally posted by: Newsgroup User

    > developers couldn't just improve Freehand, rather than improving Illustrator
    > with Freehand code ;)

    Most likely one of the problems is just the FreeHand code. Concluding from the last upgrades it was a steaming pile of dung and all Macromedia could do was attach a few more bugs with duck tape. ;-)

    Jukka



     
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    Nov 26, 2007 7:21 AM   in reply to Newsgroup_User
    >I can believe that. MX is pretty strange compared to 10 & 11. But hey,
    >Adobe
    > has been trying to kill Freehand for a good reason- that it's not a "a
    > steaming
    > pile of dung". Flash wasn't the only big Macromedia 'buy'. I mean, Adobe
    > was a
    > two application company before buying Macromedia. With Macromedia Adobe
    > won
    > about 1/2 dozen apps that beat it's pants over and over.

    FYI, Freehand is dead.

    Adobe bought Macromedia for two reasons: 1 - Flash, 2 - kill the
    competition.

    I think DW and Fireworks survived only because they actually had larger
    market shares than the Adobe equivalents. And, to be fair, the codebase for
    those apps was MUCH newer than Freehand's.

    And, actually, Freehand was on life support even when it was back at
    Macromedia. Sadly, the codebase was never properly updated back around
    version 8/9 when it really should have been overhauled.

    -Darrel


     
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    Nov 26, 2007 8:26 AM   in reply to wbjethro2
    Sorry. I was around and merrily using Altsys Freehand when Adobe was punishing users with Illustrator. So the first atempt to kill FH failed when Macromedia bought it. I agree the codebase needed to be updated around V9 but you miss my point- It was because so many Professional Users were still cranking out marvelous work , and this inspite of many improvements in Illustrator that Adobe had to kill it. My hope is that all the goodness of Freehand's UI and functionality will live in future iterations of Illustrator - streamlined to sync with the Suites and advances in OS. If not, guys like me will keep laptops around running FH10,FH11 and MX till we die. Adobe market leaders had better pay attention to this. As for Fireworks, DW, Flash - They'd be smart to keep those and incorporate them into future suites too. Premier- eh! Not worth pouring more development $ into that anymore. Maybe they can buy Final Cut Pro from Apple! LOL !
     
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