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video becomes bouncy/shakey in encore preview and DVD export! Help!

Mar 1, 2013 7:27 PM

Tags: #encore #bouncing #shake #shaking #bouncy #shakey

Hello, this is a serious problem, very unhappy client please help!

 

Here is a video I made detailing the problem. Please let me know if you need more information!

http://webvideoninja.com/uga/?seed=encore-cs6-issue

 

using a 2011 macbook pro, CS6 encore. did not use premiere for anything

took MPEG files direcly into CS6, spent hours creating a menu and linking

everything up, and ended up with a super blurry video that bounces up and down

before and after export to DVD.

 

the original video files are MPG files 750 X 576 size MPEG-2 Video AC3 Audio Channels 2.

They look great when played in quicktime, and get jumpy/bouncy/shakey immediately when imported to

encore. The quality improves a little bit after transcode (video is less blurry) but the

shaking and bouncy problem persists.

 

Thank you to anyone who can shed some light on this.

789 Views   17 Replies   Latest reply: Stan Jones, Mar 4, 2013 4:38 AM
 
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  • John T Smith
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    1. John T Smith,
    Mar 1, 2013 7:37 PM   in reply to jesseali
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    Is that a single MPG file, or separate video and audio files?

     

    If a single MPG file, that means that Encore must transcode the file to separate the video and audio

     

    What is the source of the files?

     
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    2. jesseali,
    Mar 1, 2013 7:40 PM   in reply to John T Smith
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    Wow that was fast!

     

    It is a single file. The source was not created by me. It is the "master copies" given to me by the client. I do not have access to any other versions...other than compressed flv files. should I upload a sample clip?

     
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    Mar 1, 2013 7:45 PM   in reply to jesseali
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    As I said, the file gets quality looks better after transcoding. but the bouncyness stays

     
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    4. PMK3,
    Mar 2, 2013 12:24 AM   in reply to jesseali
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    jesseali wrote:

     

    should I upload a sample clip?

    Yes, a sample clip can help when dealing with video related problems.

     
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  • John T Smith
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    5. John T Smith,
    Mar 2, 2013 8:16 AM   in reply to jesseali
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    >original video files are MPG files 750 X 576

     

    That is an odd size... please use one of these programs to verify

     

    Report back with the codec details of your file, use the programs below... a screen

    shot works well to SHOW people what you are doing
    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/592070?tstart=30
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    For Mac http://mediainspector.massanti.com/

     
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    6. jesseali,
    Mar 2, 2013 9:49 AM   in reply to PMK3
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    here is a sample clip (you can download it using the download button in the upper right of the screen)

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/3iz0av9zq46jhf4/PuttingRoutine.mpg

     
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    7. jesseali,
    Mar 2, 2013 9:53 AM   in reply to John T Smith
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    here is the results from media inspector (thanks for introducing me to this, been needing this a  long time)

     

    General

    Complete name                    :1/PuttingRoutine.mpg

    Format                           : MPEG-PS

    File size                        : 220 MiB

    Duration                         : 4mn 42s

    Overall bit rate                 : 6 516 Kbps

     

     

    Video

    ID                               : 224 (0xE0)

    Format                           : MPEG Video

    Format version                   : Version 2

    Format profile                   : Main@Main

    Format settings, BVOP            : Yes

    Format settings, Matrix          : Default

    Format settings, GOP             : M=3, N=15

    Duration                         : 4mn 42s

    Bit rate mode                    : Variable

    Bit rate                         : 6 131 Kbps

    Nominal bit rate                 : 8 300 Kbps

    Width                            : 720 pixels

    Height                           : 576 pixels

    Display aspect ratio             : 16:9

    Frame rate                       : 25.000 fps

    Standard                         : PAL

    Color space                      : YUV

    Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0

    Bit depth                        : 8 bits

    Scan type                        : Interlaced

    Scan order                       : Top Field First

    Compression mode                 : Lossy

    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.591

    Stream size                      : 207 MiB (94%)

     

     

    Audio

    ID                               : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)

    Format                           : AC-3

    Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3

    Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)

    Muxing mode                      : DVD-Video

    Duration                         : 4mn 42s

    Bit rate mode                    : Constant

    Bit rate                         : 256 Kbps

    Channel(s)                       : 2 channels

    Channel positions                : Front: L R

    Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz

    Bit depth                        : 16 bits

    Compression mode                 : Lossy

    Stream size                      : 8.63 MiB (4%)

     
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  • John T Smith
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    8. John T Smith,
    Mar 2, 2013 10:59 AM   in reply to jesseali
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    Ok... actually PAL standard of 720x576 not the 750x576 you initially stated

     

    I don't do PAL (or Mac) but I see 2 potential problems

     

    1st is that you have one file, not separate audio and video, which means that Encore must "de-mux" one file into two to build a DVD... which adds an extra step that may cause problems

     

    2nd is that your file is top field first, while a DVD is "often/usually" lower field first... so check your settings to see if you can (or are?) force Encore to use the file as is, without re-transcoding to lower field first

     

    Other than those 2 things, I don't see any glaring problems

     
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  • Ann Bens
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    9. Ann Bens,
    Mar 2, 2013 2:45 PM   in reply to jesseali
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    Your biggest problem is trying to make pal into ntsc and trying to change the fields.

    If you keep everything the same settings you will have a good dvd.

    Converting pal to ntsc is something Encore does not do well.

     
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    Mar 2, 2013 2:50 PM   in reply to Ann Bens
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    This is great to know. We want a pal version too. So if I make a PAL DVD first, what would you recommend I do to then convert to NTSC?

     
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  • Jeff Bellune
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    11. Jeff Bellune,
    Mar 2, 2013 3:27 PM   in reply to jesseali
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    These days, most PAL DVD players can play NTSC DVDs.  Unless your clients have older players, you may be able to make a single NTSC DVD and keep everyone happy.

     

    Of course, that would mean starting with NTSC footage, too.

     

    If you are stuck going PAL>NTSC, then check out DVFilm Atlantis for Windows Pal to Ntsc and Ntsc to Pal Conversion of HD and SD files

     

    Better results will come from Dan Isaacs' dv2film AviSynth script, but it has a steep learning curve.

     

    Jeff

     
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    Mar 2, 2013 3:22 PM   in reply to Jeff Bellune
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    Hi Jeff, unfortunately, the problem is that my video is PAL formatted, so I need make a PAL DVD to fix my issue according to Ann Bens. Would NTSC players also play PAL DVDs?

     
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  • Jeff Bellune
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    13. Jeff Bellune,
    Mar 2, 2013 3:28 PM   in reply to jesseali
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    I edited my initial reply -- you may find some useful information there.  To answer your last question, no.  AFAIK, very few NTSC players will play PAL DVDs.

     

    Jeff

     
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  • jesseali
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    14. jesseali,
    Mar 2, 2013 3:31 PM   in reply to Jeff Bellune
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    great! thanks This community is amazing. I have never found so many helpful people. I really appreciate your time!

     
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  • jesseali
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    Mar 2, 2013 4:19 PM   in reply to jesseali
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    So, I am having trouble finding a place to choose PAL instead of NTSC... everything I can find says NTSC... am I blind?

     

    EDIT: found it... now where are these field settings?

     
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    Mar 3, 2013 6:36 PM   in reply to jesseali
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    I lied, I found a PAL setting somewhere, but in the transcode area, NTSC is the only option... and lower field is greyed out... how do I change these?

     

    Thanks!

     
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  • Stan Jones
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    17. Stan Jones,
    Mar 4, 2013 4:38 AM   in reply to jesseali
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    You must set PAL when you create the project.

     
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