I dynamic-linked from Premiere Pro CS6 to Encore CS6, only a 2.7GB file and going to standard DVD. Maxed out Mac, mulitple fast drives and started the build about 2 1/2 hours ago. It is about ten per cent done. Wow, what a screamer! Reminds me of when I ran Premiere 4.2, using a Media 100 board, a super fast RAID system: took five hours to render a five minute clip. Maybe this build will be ready by the time I get to NAB on Tuesday? Oh wait, they might have a new upgrade by then.
I would say it was an observation on the how real time situations using the product and sharing that with other users have may have experienced the same thing. Hence the purpose of a user's forum. I do realize that many people have problems with the programs and do not post, but read that others have experienced similar results. And coming here to learn is a good way. Rant? I think not. I did check my progrress before I went to bed and was still building at the six hour mark. When I woke up this morning, the transcoding failed. So should I mention that Adobe Encore failed me, or keep it to myself? Was to give this to a client, but looks like that won't happen. Tbe error message disappeared, so I have no way of knowing why Encore failed.
Have I had good luck with this product, no. And by the way, just because a person is only "recently" on these forums, doesn't mean he is a new user. I have used Adobe products since the 90's and in many ways it it needs to improve. I still can't believe we still have to clean cache files manually. Reminds me of when I used OS 9 or even 8, when we had to set memory allocation by hand.
Rant, I think not. But just letting others know that Adobe is not god...far from it.
>only a 2.7GB file and going to standard DVD
Are you starting with a DV file from a tape camera, so no down rezzing is required?
Or are you starting with a HiDef source so the output must be altered to fit on a DVD?
How many and what Effects have you applied to the video?
A general comment... I never use Dynamic Link, because I have read of some problems... export DVD legal files from PPro and use those for Encore authoring
Some people have Dynamic Link Problems
Encoding notes http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1094516
If you want help to resolve the issue, then please share your workflow with us.
Certain effects can take a very long time to render, especially some third-party stuff, so that could be an issue, we don't know though.
I have a two-year-old Core i7-2600 PC. For reference, I can export an 1920x1080 timeline to MPEG-2 DVD a little faster than realtime most of the time, with effects applied. For DV footage, a 2-hour timeline exports in 10 minutes. Yes, 10 minutes.
I take the resulting files into Encore, and with or without menus, I can burn to an .iso file in about two minutes. So if your system is taking many hours, let's not jump on Adobe right away, something is obviously going on in your particular workflow.
As mentioned, avoid using DL, just export as "MPEG-2 DVD" format and Import as Timeline into Encore then.
thanks for the tips. The client shot HD files and I used very little in the way of effects. Did some transitions and used 3 way color correcter to make sure all are uniform. DId the testing in Encore to make sure everything was OK. Had it set up super easy after watching as many tutorials. No menus were needed. Went to build to DVD as the tutorials recommneded, and will try what the user below mentioned=going to ISO and burning a DVD from that.
And so many had liked Dynamic Link and wanted to use that. And as you reported, Adobe is very weak in that department, according to users. Having the deadline to meet, didn't make it easier, that is for sure. Let's hope that Adobe corretcts this DL or gets rid of it. Too much time was wasted and if I had been a help to future buyers of Adobe CS6 and they decide to get something else, then good was accomplished.
I went to Plan B and decided to try the Media Encoder to see if that works. Deadline is drawing near. If that fails, I will give the ISO try.
Worst case scenario is to go back to Final Cut Studio and burn a DVD from there.
Didn't mean to confuse things with mentioning building an .iso file. This has no bearing on your issue. Was just trying to illustrate that IF you do the encoding out of AME, so that Encore does not need to do transcoding, then the final build in Encore is very fast. I could also have said "I can burn to a full DVD in under 10 minutes". I thought 2 minutes sounded better ;-)
Regardless of whether "building" to a DVD, Folder, or Image, that should take the same amount of time to encode.
Did you verify the bit rate? You don't want to encode only to find the resulting file is too large for the DVD. Using DL automates this, but you are on your own when manually encoding.
What is the length of the video? A rule of thumb is 560/minutes=rate (but not to exceed 8), and I always round down the result a little for safety margin. For instance, 560/120=4.66, so I encode at 4.5 rate then. There are also many "bitrate calculators" available for use online, just do a web search.
Note that the combined audio and video files may appear too large for a DVD, but Encore transcodes audio to .ac3 which shrinks it. PC starts with uncompressed .wav audio from AME, not sure what Mac uses. With CS6, there is now an option under AUDIO tab in AME to actually make the .ac3 right there, otherwise it is fine to use default and Encore will handle the audio transcode later.
Thanks you have been very helpful Good to see users find what works best for them. As for my bit rate, I did take it down much further down as recommended in the tutorials. The bit rates as a default were quite big. My complete HD project is 51 minutes in length, so don't think I can render it out as fast as you did. The client wants a HD DVD, SD DVD and an iPad format file. Wanted to make sure that I could get the HD file conformed first(every scene is perfect), before I step down to SD and iPad. Covering myself in case I made a mistake, I didn't want to go with DV as the final output and can't get back to HD. I have seen that before and best to be cautious This is why the file is over 2GB.
Thanks and I'm hoping to get at least a solid file from which I can go with whatever format I can quickly output to DVD Then show the client what she is getting and wait until after NAB to see if Adobe has worked out the kinks and I'm able to get the project done.
Thanks again Safeharbor
>HD DVD, SD DVD
I only do DVD, down-rezzed from AVCHD... but I have read other messages that indicate that in spite of what the manual SAYS, you really need to do separate projects for BluRay and DVD... since the different menu screens do not scale well (at all ???) between the different output versions
I did the convert to DV from HD just to get a file. I read in other forums of people having the same issue with long adobe render times. It was suggested to nest the sequence from HD to DV and set the scaling accordingly. All went perfect. Took it out to Media Encoder as per recommendations from Adobe TV and forums. 7 hours later I still have 11 hours to go. Here's hoping that Adobe has a fix for this by NAB. Needless to say my client won't get her DVD on time. So what I am looking for here as a good business excuse to buy time. I was never late using Final Cut Studio. The good news is I can export out of PP6 real easy as I tried that already. I will pass that good news on to others reading the forums.
I just returned from NAB 2013 and got the information straight from Adobe staffers, and in particular a staffer who has been an Adobe user for 20 years. While PP is great to work with, along with roundtripping from Photoshop, AE and Audition, and any other program that the project calls for, the bottleneck or albatross by Adobe's admission is in the graphics card. When purchasing a system(in my case Mac), I go for the best CPU, RAM for the buck. I also upgraded to an Nvidia card to handle my dual Apple displays. I have a Blackmagic Design to handle previews on my NTSC BlueGun monitor. For PP the Blackmagic handles previews in PP. Everything is good. I also have a laptop system that was upgraded from a G4 Powerbook(remember those?) that I used when I had to shoot and edit with Final Cut Pro 6 on location that was secure. Used AE for comps and all rendered out using DVD Studio Pro with no problem and on time.
Have a powerful MacBookPro(Intel) that has handled everyting thrown at it. Watched Adobe demos using the same. Graphics cards(GPU) can't be upgraded on those, whatever it comes with, you use that. No problem. Final Cut Pro 7 zooms through to the end. Doing projects in CS6 was pretty good. Going through Adobe Media Encoder or Encore is a no go. As one of the top Adobe staffers said, one needs a minium of 1GB of RAM on the graphics card to make it go. The recommended card for the Mac was the Nvidia Quadra 4000(about 900 bucks) and now they have the K5000(about 1900 bucks). Adobe was saying that is twice as good as the 4000, which now makes it half as bad.
So what does this information reveal? When you are done with your project in PP and it is time to make the movie/file/etc..unless you sprung for a very expensive graphics card that for most applications is used for what it is intended: to view: not numbers-crunch. But wait, Adobe says, "we have dedicated PP to use the GPU and not the CPU so you can do other things!" What??? After using the Creative Suite plus any other program to complete my project, I am done. I do not need the CPU for anything else. While rendering out the movie-file for DVD, I use that time to get my nutrients. I am ready to deliever the final product to the client. Instead of Adobe using all of the resources(CPU, cores, RAM, Blackmagic card)it chooses a GPU(and the one they like is via the sweetheart deal with Nvidia). This is is not a selling point. When they smile and say "you can do other things," they are covering up the fact that they blew it. Adobe, listen up...use alll of the resources on our computer systems to process the final file, not just the graphics card.
At the show, I met a couple of professional editors who have switched to FCP X because of the speed of the workflow, which was faster than Adobe. The Adobe professional had to install 2 Nvidia 4000 cards in his computer just to do his work Also if you have projects that are long, like mine, another editor who had the same issues, said to break it up into invidual 10 minute clips, as Adobe doesn't like long clips. Then bring it all in at the end in Encore. Whew, sounds like a lot of running around.
As suggested by Adobe staffers, I came home to use Project Manager to Collect Files(about 15 GB) and just when it gets to the end, it encounters an error and says "try again." After numerous times, I came back to the forum and say quite a few others had the same results. All with different systems. Using Finder will be a slow and tedious method when I get it to my bigger machine. Needless to say Adobe has to fix this problem instead of trying to market the upgrades on the next version.
I do realize that only a small minority of users actually write into forums, what maybe up to 5 per cent? Just letting prospective buyers know that before getting into Adobe Premiere Pro, that there are still a lot of issues to work out.
Adobe needs to fix the above issues before we can give it a thumbs up.