I've spent some serious time getting to know the Adobe products and Premiere Pro CS6 in particular. But no matter what, I can't figure out why the exported video sometimes get annoying BLACK BORDERS (in all four directions) completely regardless of the settings.
Since all my sequences are always based on the source material ("create sequence from video file", you know), I don't even see how this can be possible. I simply cut out part from a longer video and export it. Black borders in all four directions. The original video does not have that. It doesn't look like it will have them in the preview/export preview views. It is only when I have exported them that the borders show up. In all media players.
This nearly has me throwing the computer through the window out of frustration. I've tried every export setting imaginable (naturally tried not touching them at all too), but nothing helps when Pr decides to go into "black borders mode". Is this an actual bug? I can't see how it can possibly be intended, especially since the preview clearly shows that the only borders are on the sides (acceptable and expected due to ratio difference and whatnot).
I asked something similar recently but didn't feel people really understood what I was talking about, so I'm trying again.
You neglected to mention the most pertinent factors...
your export settings & sequence settings?
Your other thread:
completely regardless of the settings.
Assuming your player is set to display the file correctly, those black borders are entirely because of the settings. Somewhere in the chain you have them set wrong.
We got the point and the answer is the same.
You have a source file that appears as a postage stamp in your export.
Place a small object in a large frame and that is the result.
BTW - Turn off Scale to Frame Size and you will get a better indication i the Program Monitor before you go as far as Exporting a sequence
Yeah, I tried that too, but it's already "frame size" because the sequence is entirely based on the source video. Always. As for the settings, I don't really know what you mean because I've tried all the settings and many combos, and also just leaving it as default. It seems to be impossible to get rid of the four black borders for the videos that decide that this is the way to go (or when Premiere thinks this is how it should be done for some reason).
Again, even the "match sequence settings" mode causes the black borders on all sides.
Do you have a particular reason why you will not share
your sequence and export settings in either this thread
or your other thread regarding this very same issue?
Do you know where to find them?
Do you know how to do a screen grab?
Do you know how to add an image file to a post?
Do you really want this "explained once and for all"?
I guess I don't understand why you are asking for that vague information, given my explanation of the problem, but if you give me some time (24 hours) I can produce a video showing exactly what I am doing to try it.
Because its not "vagueinformation" !
We have seen this "issue" many times so trust us when we ask to see your Sequence, Source and Export Settings
.Screen grabs are easier than a video and will tell us more "vital information:.
...exported video sometimes get annoying BLACK BORDERS (in all four directions)
In your older, now deleted post, you pointed out that you
had mixed some 4x3 material in your 16x9 sequence,
resulting in black bars on the sides of the video
(as you expected, and were not concerned about).
However, when you exported, the black was not
only at the sides... but above and below as well,
creating a complete 'black box' around your video.
My Sequence Settings (1920x1080 with a 4x3 clip):
My Export Settings (erroneously set to DV, viewing output tab, top left):
Any of this looking familiar?
AlfredKubrick9 wrote:I've tried every export setting imaginable (naturally tried not touching them at all too)
Many encoding presets are good-to-go as is,
but it is not uncommon to tweak the settings for optimum results.
It would behoove you to get more familiar with Media Encoder
We can only read what you write and the only conclusion up to now is you made a mistake, OE (Operator error), along the route. Ok, that happens, but if you want help in solving your error, you have to come forward with relevant information.
Imagine a woman walking into a car repair center, saying "I could not start the car this morning. Can you help me?"
"Do you have a car or did your husband take it to work? Do you have the keys or did your husband take them?, Did you turn on the ignition? What happened? Did the lights on the dashboard light up? Did the starter engine turn over? Do you have fuel in the tank?"
and so on.
We are without a clue as to what you did and what caused the problem, so help us help you.
This is ludicrous, but I've sat here and tried to find a video that does this now for half an hour straight and they all export perfectly. It's just because I try to find the bug/issue... then it's all gone.
I have now found a clip that does it, so I recorded a video of me trying to work with it. Here is the link: http://www.speedyshare.com/DDjjQ/fdfddfsdsf.mp4 (2.1 MB -- you don't need an account or anything to download it. Just click the file name and it will work.)
And before you ask, yes, this happens in every media player. It's got nothing to do with my media player. Notice how I check "use sequence settings" to "make sure" it works... yet it still puts the four black borders around the actual video, in spite of the previews not saying anything about this. Well, the video shows exactly what I do. I can't see how I am doing anything wrong.
(And no, the source video file does *not* have the four black borders when played in any media player! Only after going through Pr.)
The whole point is I base the sequence on the source material, and then base the export settings on the sequence... having to manually check exactly what the clip is each time and then making a new sequence manually would defeat the whole point. You can't mean that seriously...
Don't use Match Sequence Settings. It creates more problems that it solves.
Also, there are black bars in the media, top and bottom. When the bars appear on the sides, it's because the player window is larger than the video.
The whole point is I base the sequence on the source material, and then base the export settings on the sequence... ...
I pressed i and o to get a cut which I put back into the list of items. Then I created a sequence based on that.
Actually you are basing a sequence on a subclip.
I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but listen this time, please: there are black bars on all FOUR sides. Two are expected/obvious. Four means there is something wrong. It has nothing to do with the window being larger than the video. Please pay attention if you're going to help me.
I don't even know what to say to this... seems like you are not interested in helping. Just to humor you, however, I skipped that step in yet another test, with the exact same result as with the "subclip". So, yet again, that's not the problem.
The issue is that your Source Footage is not matching the Sequence.
If one has material, where they expect black bars on the sides, i.e. Pillar Boxing, but are getting them on all four sides, then the vertical Frame Sizes do not match.
Thanx for humouring me. I am honoured you took the time.
I was just pointing out a strange workflow and not actually the recommended procedure at all..
.Now..how about going back to what was asked of you early in this thread. The advice given:
Post a screen grab of the properties of the source footage that causes the issue.
We cant see that from the Video!
This was ....what we needed and you insisted on doing a video that misses the vital information!
You have since informed us that it is a specific clip causing your issue and not an issue with general clips that you are using.
Type: AVI Movie
File Size: 700,0 MB
Image Size: 640 x 272
Frame Rate: 23,97
Source Audio Format: 11025 Hz - 16 bit - Mono
Project Audio Format: 11025 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Mono
Total Duration: 01;43;48;04
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1,0
When I don't use "match sequence settings", I tend to always select H.264 in the list of formats, then not touching anything. The logical thing to assume would be for it to either match the general settings of the sequence (such as resolution and aspect ratio), or at least offer a sub-button to "use this format, but match the settings". It doesn't. I really have no idea what one is supposed to be doing, because it can't be manually writing down the specs of the clip and then selecting all those manually when exporting. It simply cannot be the case. I refuse to believe that's how it's done. There is no technical reason for that whatsoever.
Also, I would like to stress once again that all this wouldn't be such a huge issue if it weren't for the fact that the view as seen in every single preview and monitor inside Premiere Pro shows the video properly, but the export is different. I'm forced to "work blind" here and change the aspect ratio and hope for the best, because it is *not* always exporting what it shows in the preview window(s).
And yes, as I believe I said right from the start, this is not for all clips. Just some. I haven't been able to find any common denominator for the ones that trigger this "bug" or whatever it actually is. I just know it has happened often enough to be very, very annoying and frustrating. I really would love to have somebody confirm that it's a bug and for them to let me know that it's due to specific thing X.
there are black bars on all FOUR sides. Two are expected/obvious. Four means there is something wrong.
What I see so far seems to me that Jim is correct at post 27. This particular clip has a black border "burned in" top and bottom. If we look at the export panel and the source sequence (which was based on this clip/subclip), this is a fairly regular 4:3 720x480 clip. It was ripped from a DVD (based on the filename), and the picture was obviously a cinematic display aspect ratio. So bars top and bottom from import to export.
With the black background, it is hard to see in the player what is exported clip and what is player background, but the export setting is 720x480, and we have to assume 4:3 display ratio. If there is black on the sides, there woujld have to be more black top and bottom than in the original clip, and there does not appear to be. Players are tricky because many have settings for viewing size and par in terms of the original vs the screen size.
I do understand that you are trying to sort out why this sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, when you believe you are using the same workflow all the time. It might be helpful if you post a short original clip - that one was only 20 seconds; perhaps it is not too large.
What has intrigued me about this thread as I have lurked along, is that creating a sequence from a clip SHOULD work. And this specific instance looks like it may have. But I know some cameras/formats do not seem to work so well with that process.
Total Duration: 01;43;48;04
The duration of the clip you show in the movie at post 22 is 20 seconds (before you reset the in/out). The pixel size and par of the clip you describe in post 33 certainly don't match my guess as to the clip in the movie.
About that detail: I used a smaller cut of the movie in the demo video due to time constraints. It is the exact same thing when I use the full film directly. Believe me when I say I have checked this over and over and tried every imaginable thing to trouble-shoot it.
I can't stress enough how this has nothing to do with the media player. I have obviously compared the full movie and the resulting clip and the first does NOT have four-side black bars. I keep repeating this over and over: the clip does not have bars on four sides. Premiere Pro is adding the bars on the left and right. YES, there are bars on the top and bottom. I know this. I have from the very beginning repeated this maybe 100 times: I know about it and it doesn't bother me. It's part of the video file. That is not the issue. It has nothing to do with what I'm wondering. It doesn't enter into the picture. It is as clear as the sky. It's a given. A fact. Nothing to pay attention to.
I need some sleep, but I'll try to post a sample clip tomorrow. My general feeling so far is that this is some kind of actual bug and that none of you have encountered it, thus assuming I must be doing something horribly wrong.
Sorry for throwing the wrench on this thread, but why did you decide you have black bars on the left and right sides at all? I don't see them. Neither does WMP, 'cos it creates the preview icon with no bars on sides, nor MPC Home Cinema, 'cos when it opens the file in the default size, there are no bars on sides either. Try to reimport that file into PrPro, and you will probably be surprised... (don't hesitate to open up your source footage in MPC Home Cinema and manipulate its window corner in the same manner as well...)